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    I guess 15%-20%(only Balkan Turks). But if we add non-Turkish Balkan minorities, it can be 20%-25%. With mixed backgrounds, it's probably 25%-30%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caucasianturkk View Post
    Numbers are exaggerated.I know, i am obsessed with people s ethnic background.When i was in my high school only 2 of 20 people have balkan ancestry.Even in Western Turkey,balkanite turks are very rare.So %20 is totally impossible to me
    But I am including Balkan Turkish (Not pure Bosnian or whatever but Turks from Balkan regions who are close to Bulgarian genetically) I think would be at least 20%
    Turkish Thrace alone has 10 million population
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    Turkish people overall are not very near Balkan people at all, if we look the Autosomal DNA, and Autosomal DNA IS EVERYTHING.

    So let's see, this is one of the most accurate Autosomal DNA maps:




    And this map is based on first one:





    As we can see CLEARLY here, Turks belongs overall to non-europeans by genetics.

    They're in another "basket", away from Europe. They overlap with Kurdish, Iranians, Armenians...

    So... they're basically OVERALL Asians without any doubt.

    P.S. Ofcourse some minority from Western Turkey have ofcourse European ancestry, but OVERALL, Turks are in totally another "basket" when it comes about their overall Autosmal genetic origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    But I am including Balkan Turkish (Not pure Bosnian or whatever but Turks from Balkan regions who are close to Bulgarian genetically) I think would be at least 20%
    Turkish Thrace alone has 10 million population
    Dr Maul you shouldn’t forget most of this 10 Million people are from Istanbul, i dont even believe that 5% of this city is native. Balkan migrants mostly settled to Bursa, Eskisehir or to coastal parts(Mediterranean/Aegean) of Turkey.

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    20-30%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gecko View Post
    Dr Maul you shouldn’t forget most of this 10 Million people are from Istanbul, i dont even believe that 5% of this city is native. Balkan migrants mostly settled to Bursa, Eskisehir or to coastal parts(Mediterranean/Aegean) of Turkey.
    Many Istanbul Turks have Balkan Turkish background but many are also migrants from Eastern provinces.
    Many are also mix of Balkan and Anatolian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    Turkish people overall are not very near Balkan people at all, if we look the Autosomal DNA, and Autosomal DNA IS EVERYTHING.

    So let's see, this is one of the most accurate Autosomal DNA maps:




    And this map is based on first one:





    As we can see CLEARLY here, Turks belongs overall to non-europeans by genetics.

    They're in another "basket", away from Europe. They overlap with Kurdish, Iranians, Armenians...

    So... they're basically OVERALL Asians without any doubt.

    P.S. Ofcourse some minority from Western Turkey have ofcourse European ancestry, but OVERALL, Turks are in totally another "basket" when it comes about their overall Autosmal genetic origin.
    These results do not represent the whole Turkish population. At least, I have been told in this thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...nconsistencies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
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    I doubt what you posted has relevance with what OP asked but anyway. These PCA's made with Hodoğlugil's Turkish genome dataset that consisted of only Anatolian Turks with few Kurds, so they are not representing the Balkan Turkish part of the society. People in Turkey who is of Balkan origin is not only Muslim Balkanian such as Bosniaks or Albanians, there are also ethnic Turks who had settled in Eastern Balkans and then resettled in Turkey. Between 15% and 20% of Turkey's population, consists of them.

    In addition, as there is no Anatolian - Balkan separation in the Turkish society, two of those groups are not a minority but the core ethnic population of the state. On the other hand, Balkan Muslims can be considered minorities despite the borders are blurry most of the time, but Maul asks the total population of people who has Balkan origin, so we should add Turks and non-Turks together. So, there are also Balkan Muslims who make around 5% - 10% of the population. In this sense, the total population who has Balkan origin can change from 20% to 30%, and safely generalized with 25%.

    There is a decent PCA:



    If you need more help in historical and genetical context:

    Turkic Migration to the Balkans
    Balkan Turk GEDmatch Results, Dodecad K12b Averages
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kivan View Post
    Many Istanbul Turks have Balkan Turkish background but many are also migrants from Eastern provinces.
    Many are also mix of Balkan and Anatolian.
    I know, but isn’t Istanbul still mainly populated by Black sea Turks? After 1. WW the population of Istanbul was nearly the same for years, it started to grow after 1950/60 rapidly. But of course many of those migrants from Turkey had Balkan roots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gecko View Post
    I know, but isn’t Istanbul still mainly populated by Black sea Turks? After 1. WW the population of Istanbul was nearly the same for years, it started to grow after 1950/60 rapidly. But of course many of those migrants from Turkey had Balkan roots.
    A great chunk of Albanians and Bosniaks lives in Istanbul. I believe like 20-25% of its population should be of Balkan origin. But I need confirmation from either Deniz or Thracian on this issue.

    Excluding Eastern Thrace as it is a natural candidate, the hearth of the Balkan community is Bursa and neighboring Marmara cities. Another hotspot is İzmir and all along the Aegean coast. Eskişeşhir, Manisa, Nevşehir, Samsun and the Bosniak hotspot Sakarya deserves a mention as well.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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