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    But he was a Bulgarian king, of the Bulgarian state and of the Bulgarian people.It has nothing to do with Macedonians or northern Macedonians.Do you understand?
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    Macedonians should just stop stealing Bulgarian history and cut the anti-Bulgarian propaganda within the country. We even did compromise as we agreed to "share" entirely Bulgarian history and call it both Macedonian and Bulgarian - an act that proves that we DO recognize a Macedonian nation in the 21th century.

    The problem with Macedonians comes from the fact that their collective identity is based on people who fought for Bulgarian Macedonia (within Bulgaria or independant) and historical events which are relevant ONLY for the Bulgarian nation. For example, one of the main enemies of the IMRO were the Serbs, who occupied Vardar Macedonia, yet modern Macedonians do praise this Bulgarian organisation (but as Macedonian) as their own and at the same time they are bigger Serbs than original Serbs.

    This situation leads to strong identity crisis among monkeydonians. Accepting the historical truth means destruction of the Macedonian identity, that's why you have burned Bulgarian flags for second time in North Macedonia.

    Mutual respect? Why? Would Croats give part of their history and identity in the name of some friendship?
    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    They want everyone to think that we do not respect their identity. But we do, their history begins after WW2 and they should be proud of it. The partisans and communists are the center of their identity, not Bulgarians.

    They actually do not respect our identity as they claim death Bulgarian people as Macedonian.
    Well I think VMRO member who assasinated King Alexander Karađorđević was Macedonian who was pro-Bulgarian/had Bulgarian identity? VMRO/IMRO was pro-Bulgarian organization that wanted Bulgaria-,Macedonia unity as far as I know.
    Btw, did Bulgarian church recognize Macedonian one? Idk so curious about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Bulgarians don't descend from Bulgars so what's your point? He was Bulgarian mostly.
    At that time there were Bulgars and there were Slavs not Bulgarians in the present sense. Ask them from which they descend? What you say "He was Bulgarian mostly" is wrong since Bulgarians were created from the Slavs in the 19th century not in the middle ages because Bulgars were still there as Turkic tribes. You cannot retroactively see the history and to make the existence of the present nations in the past just to satisfy present needs. That is misinterpretation of the history.
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    Ако българите са измислени през 19 век, то северните македонци са измислени преди две години. Какви са били преди и те самите не знаят. Колекция от преродени хора. Славяни, които нямат право да се свързват с името на македонците, било то етническо или политическо
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    I meant medieval history. Bulgarian Tzars who Macedonians rightfully count as part of their history too, but they had no Macedonian identity.
    I don't agree with Bulgarians claiming Macedonians today though, they should respect your identity.
    Stearsolina, the major issue is the name of Bulgaria, its an eye sore because you cannot historically call, for example, a language called old Bulgarian when old Bulgarian was the language of khans before BORIS (Turk/Turkic). Old Slavonic is old Serbian!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaArgus1 View Post
    At that time there were Bulgars and there were Slavs not Bulgarians in the present sense. Ask them from which they descend? What you say "He was Bulgarian mostly" is wrong since Bulgarians were created from the Slavs in the 19th century not in the middle ages because Bulgars were still there as Turkic tribes. You cannot retroactively see the history and to make the existence of the present nations in the past just to satisfy present needs. That is misinterpretation of the history.
    And believe me it took Serbs and Turk Bulgars 300 years to become one, only because Turk Bulgars realised they were outnumbered and were going to crushed by Serbs. Boris banned his native Turk Bulgar for Serbian. Only the Gaugazi speak his Turk language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    Ако българите са измислени през 19 век, то северните македонци са измислени преди две години. Какви са били преди и те самите не знаят. Колекция от преродени хора. Славяни, които нямат право да се свързват с името на македонците, било то етническо или политическо
    Јазикот е Словенско, но крвтата ни е од Македонија. Генетски, нашите предедовци биле тие стари племиња од денешна Македонија.



    Како немаме врска со името Македонија?

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    You have no connection, you are Slavs or ... Tatar-Mongols These are ancient samples from the MTA relative to the modern population
    Late Xiongnu Ulaanzuukh Mongolia25 AD - ULN003ULN003
    1. Macedonian (20.44)
    2. Bulgarian (20.65)
    3. Kosovar (20.91)
    4. Romanian (20.96)
    5. Bosnian (21.62)
    6. Serbian (22.36)
    7. Greek (22.36)
    8. Nogay (22.38)

    Wusun Uyuk-Sagly Chandman Mountain25 AD - CHN014
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    4. Afghan_Turkmen (22.48)
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    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaArgus1 View Post
    At that time there were Bulgars and there were Slavs not Bulgarians in the present sense. Ask them from which they descend? What you say "He was Bulgarian mostly" is wrong since Bulgarians were created from the Slavs in the 19th century not in the middle ages because Bulgars were still there as Turkic tribes. You cannot retroactively see the history and to make the existence of the present nations in the past just to satisfy present needs. That is misinterpretation of the history.
    Lo,l, why do you teach he was Macedonian than? Slavic Macedonian identity didn't exist back than neither did Macedonian state, but Bulgaria did. And no, Bulgarians certanly aren't 19th century construct, as we have medieval cronicles than for example say Croats and Serbs fought Bulgarians, not Bulgars.

    Seems you have insecurities of a younger nation (which Slavic Macedonians are, and nothing wrong with it) thus try to claim Bulgarians didn't exist either. That is false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    Ако българите са измислени през 19 век, то северните македонци са измислени преди две години. Какви са били преди и те самите не знаят. Колекция от преродени хора. Славяни, които нямат право да се свързват с името на македонците, било то етническо или политическо
    Јазикот е Словенско, но крвтата ни е од Македонија. Генетски, нашите предедовци биле тие стари племиња од денешна Македонија.

    Како немаме врска со името Македонија?

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