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    Quote Originally Posted by Visitor_22 View Post
    Blue eyed Lebanese couple... I've never seen any lebanese people before, is this considered normal?

    No a human couple having a child that looks like this is definitely not normal. He should start asking questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    The man looks west european
    he looks balkanian turk probably.. girl looks kinda east european russian or ukranian.

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    They don't seem to live in Lebanon, the guy looks like a mix if he is indeed Lebanese, the girl i think looks ME, just not as dark.

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    Lebanese have less light eyes than even the darkest European areas like the Greek Islands and even there the light eyes are usually greenish, so it's definitely quite atypical. Not much of a debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
    he looks balkanian turk probably.. girl looks kinda east european russian or ukranian.
    They don't need to be Balkan, Turk, Russian or Ukrainian to look like that. I know some who are 100% Lebanese that look very similar to those couple. So they don't need to be mixed or from other backgrounds. It could be residual Crusaders DNA.
    Last edited by chinshen; 01-15-2021 at 11:19 PM.

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    It would be interesting to know how much Crusader ancestry there is in Lebanon, I knew a Lebanese Australian who had striking blue eyes with tanned skin but looked European, he said it was fairly common in Lebanon, is this true?

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    I don't exactly know how much crusader ancestry there is in Lebanon. But I am sure there is some still left even if it has been diluted.
    Yes, it is true that it is quite common to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    Typical Castillians

    DNA from ancient Phoenician shows Iberian ancestry


    The first DNA analysis of 2,500-year-old remains from one of the great early civilizations of the Middle East, the Phoenicians, has shown the man had European heritage, researchers said on Wednesday.
    The mitochondrial DNA - or genetic information from his mother's side - came from a man known as "Young Man of Byrsa" or "Ariche," whose remains were uncovered in the Tunisian city of Carthage.

    The findings in the journal PLOS ONE suggest his maternal lineage likely came from the north Mediterranean coast, on the Iberian Peninsula, perhaps near what is modern day Spain or Portugal.

    Phoenicians are known as the creators of the first alphabet, and inhabited the coastal cities, Tyre, Sidon, Byblos and Arwad, in what is now Lebanon and southern Syria.

    However, since their writings were made on papyrus, little remains except what has been written about them by Greek and Egyptian scholars.

    According to lead study author Lisa Matisoo-Smith, a professor in the department of anatomy at New Zealand's University of Otago, the remains reveal the earliest known evidence in North Africa of a rare European genetic population, or haplogroup, known as U5b2c1.

    "U5b2c1 is considered to be one of the most ancient haplogroups in Europe and is associated with hunter-gatherer populations there," she said.

    "It is remarkably rare in modern populations today, found in Europe at levels of less than one percent."

    The matriarchal DNA of the man, whose remains were found by gardeners working outside the National Museum of Carthage in 1994, "most closely matches that of the sequence of a particular modern day individual from Portugal," she added.

    The discovery sheds some new light on the history of the Phoenicians, who are thought to have originated in Lebanon and spread across the Mediterranean.

    Carthage was a prominent Phoenician port and trade center established by colonists from Lebanon.

    However, researchers were unable to find any links between the ancient man's mitochondrial DNA and that of 47 modern Lebanese people who were analyzed for the study.

    "Hopefully our findings and other continuing research will cast further light on the origins and impact of Phoenician peoples and their culture," said Matisoo-Smith.


    https://www.thelocal.es/20160526/fir...anish-ancestry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davystayn View Post
    It would be interesting to know how much Crusader ancestry there is in Lebanon, I knew a Lebanese Australian who had striking blue eyes with tanned skin but looked European, he said it was fairly common in Lebanon, is this true?
    No lasting impact on the Lebanese from the Crusaders.

    DNA evidence from the remains of nine Crusaders found at a burial site in Lebanon suggests they came from diverse backgrounds and intermixed with the local population, without leaving a lasting effect on the genetics of modern-day Lebanese. Instead, today’s Lebanese Christians in particular are more genetically similar to locals from the Roman period, which preceded the Crusades by more than four centuries.
    Their analyses revealed that all of the soldiers were male. Three were Western Europeans from diverse origins, while four were local Near Easterners. The remaining two were a mixture of European and Near Eastern ancestries, providing direct evidence that the Crusaders admixed with the local population. The team also found from their comparisons of genetic data that, although modern-day Lebanese don’t have genetic signals representing admixture with Europeans, Lebanese Christians are genetically similar with locals from the Roman period.
    https://www.natureasia.com/en/nmiddl...leeast.2019.58

    Here's the study if you want to have a look.

    We show that all of the Crusaders’ pit individuals were males; some were Western Europeans from diverse origins, some were locals (genetically indistinguishable from present-day Lebanese), and two individuals were a mixture of European and Near Eastern ancestries, providing direct evidence that the Crusaders admixed with the local population. However, these mixtures appear to have had limited genetic consequences since signals of admixture with Europeans are not significant in any Lebanese group today—in particular, Lebanese Christians are today genetically similar to local people who lived during the Roman period which preceded the Crusades by more than four centuries.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6506814/

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    Fair Lebanese people are no more the result of Crusaders than fair Scandinavians are the result of Finns.
    Eurogenes K13: North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.395628

    G25 Ancient + Modern: Distance: 3.0211% / 0.03021062
    48.2 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA
    19.0 VK2020_Isle_Of_Man_VA
    16.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    10.0 French_Paris
    6.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

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