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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    You're forgetting about the other 50% lol. No extra WHG, and their other stuff wouldn't be solely EEF either, but a lot of extra post-neolithic MENA.

    N. Europeans are basically 70% Steppe_MLBA, 80-85%+ Bell Beaker, 50% Steppe/Yamnaya, Steppe_MLBA still plots south(and still east) of N. Europeans.

    Either way, we still have no idea if the model is using Yamnaya or Steppe_MLBA, Steppe_MLBA are Token's words only.
    we found the Log04 individual [Greece MBA, 2000 BC] to be consistent with a 2-way admixture model of Anatolia Neolithic (∼ 38%) and Middle/Late Bronze Age Steppe (∼ 62%).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Since you guys have a fetish for Eurogenes K13 on TA, I will use this calculator:

    Kit ZK5342256

    Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54,23.63,2.29,0,0,0,1,1. 21,0,0.18

    SNPs used in this evaluation: 181187

    Code:
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Tuscan @ 3.953238
    2 North_Italian @ 8.178178
    3 West_Sicilian @ 9.017677
    4 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.200360
    5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.669216
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% North_Italian @ 3.111231
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% South_Italian +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.522895
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 1.972852
    Kit PJ5245899

    Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6,18.4,1.55,0.08,0.5,0. 83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13

    SNPs used in this evaluation: 181369

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    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Romanian @ 8.349964
    2 Bulgarian @ 9.142379
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Austrian +50% South_Italian @ 4.245197
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Central_Greek +25% Irish +25% Romanian @ 3.226347
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Armenian + Hungarian + Serbian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.765439
    Where are these samples from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    I doubt the EBA samples were Greek speakers.
    Proto-Greek derives largely from the previous Neolithic language that was spoken in Greece. (Especially all the terms pertraining to agriculture etc.) and to a much smaller extend from another y-dna language. The interaction of these two languages for at least 3000 years gave birth to proto-Greek.

    Linear A was invented to record Greek, so by 1800 BC all the tribes of Greece spoke Greek-related dialects and it is from then on that Greek history is recorded and written down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    this is my take on these samples:


    in the Minoan and early Helladic period there were 2 clusters which coexisted for some time. One was still identical to Pelloponese_N, (yellow) and the other was more Kura Araxes shifted.(red)

    Code:
    oracle("Cycladic_EBA",mode="2way",k=100)
           [,1]                                                                   [,2]    
      [1,] "76 %  GRC_Peloponnese_N  +  24 %  Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan"            "0.0135"
    It seems the "Pelopponese_N" profile died out by 2000 BC, or maybe just rare outliers were like that.
    Helladic-MBA invaders arrive around 2000 BC, and they mixed with the local population wich was mostly like Cycladic_EBA.

    The resulting mixture were the "Myceanean" and "Empuries" samples (Green). These are the youngest ancient Greek samples we have.

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    oracle("GRC_Mycenaean",mode="2way",k=500)
    
    [357,] "77.5 %  Cycladic_EBA  +  22.5 %  Helladic_MBA"                          "0.0222"
    Now let's try a model with these clusters, plus the major influences which came later: Levantine (from the Roman times) and Slavic.
    I won't use the Myceaneans and Empuries, since they are just a mix of other 2 clusters which are already in the model (Cycladic_EBA and Helladic_MBA).

    first with Peloponnese_N , just in case:

    it's unnecessary, this again confirms that EBA Greeks were mostly like Cycladic_EBA.

    now without it:
    IMG_20220219_234420.jpg
    I'm not Greek, but this is my result, from Apulia (Southern Italy)
    This with Mycenaean
    IMG_20220219_235158.jpg
    IMG_20220220_000628.jpg
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 02-19-2022 at 10:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    with updated Kou01

    Target Distance Anatolia_EBA Bulgaria_Calcolithic Bulgaria_EBA Bulgaria_Thracian Early_Slav Greece_EBA Greece_MBA Greece_Minoan Greece_Mycenaean
    Greek_Andros_Island 2.62803651 33.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 8.2 0.0 46.3 0.0 12.0
    Greek_Cyclades 0.92098487 33.5 0.0 0.0 12.8 11.0 0.0 41.1 0.0 1.6
    Greek_Western-Thrace 1.58067338 19.4 19.3 0.0 0.0 14.7 1.2 40.6 4.8 0.0
    Greek_Thessaly 0.53383553 19.9 0.0 0.0 8.8 34.8 0.0 30.8 0.0 5.7
    Greek_Istanbul 2.62089273 45.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 27.2 0.0 27.5 0.0 0.0
    Greek_Central 0.44660623 36.0 0.0 0.2 0.0 27.2 0.2 23.5 0.0 12.9
    Greek_Dodecanese 1.23604137 58.1 0.0 0.0 9.7 9.3 0.0 22.9 0.0 0.0
    Greek_West 1.07185842 21.1 4.9 0.0 0.0 31.4 12.9 21.9 7.7 0.1
    Greek_Peloponnese 0.55475107 28.4 0.0 0.8 0.0 33.7 2.5 20.2 0.0 14.4
    Greek_Symi_Island 2.36093435 45.2 0.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 0.0 18.9 0.0 33.9
    Greek_Crete 0.70799681 53.4 0.0 0.2 0.0 21.3 0.0 18.8 0.0 6.3
    Greek 0.46189862 23.7 1.0 0.0 3.8 34.6 15.7 17.9 1.0 2.3
    Greek_Ionia 0.78195383 40.7 0.0 3.1 9.2 21.7 3.6 16.4 0.0 5.3
    Greek_Northeast 0.34077804 25.8 0.0 1.6 13.9 33.5 9.3 15.9 0.0 0.0
    Greek_West_Macedonia 0.41389357 26.3 1.9 0.0 18.4 31.3 6.5 15.6 0.0 0.0
    Greek_Central_Macedonia 0.38861959 21.5 1.3 0.8 0.0 38.8 10.5 13.0 9.8 4.3
    Greek_Chios 0.73469736 61.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 12.8 7.2 10.3 0.0 8.0
    Greek_Athens 0.49717742 31.9 0.2 5.2 17.5 27.0 6.6 4.9 0.0 6.7
    Bulgaria_average 0.44486440 21.1 0.0 8.5 0.0 56.2 2.7 4.1 4.4 3.0
    Greek_North_Aegean 0.80573416 47.6 0.0 0.0 15.4 18.4 0.0 3.4 0.0 15.2
    Greek_Cappadocian 4.38756349 87.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 9.7 0.0 2.5 0.0 0.0
    Greek_Caucasus 15.09855383 96.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
    Greek_Cypriot 2.54346801 76.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 6.5 16.6 0.0 0.0 0.0
    Greek_Eastern-Macedonia 0.89699271 29.1 7.3 0.0 8.9 40.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 14.4
    Greek_Eastern-Thrace 0.99230298 29.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 44.3 26.2 0.0 0.0 0.0
    Greek_Macedonia_Thrace 1.17125616 51.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 40.1 0.0 0.0 2.2 6.7
    Greek_Northern-Thrace 2.75407455 21.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 55.5 0.0 0.0 23.4 0.0
    Greek_Trabzon 13.47460341 95.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 4.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

    Code:
    
    Greece_Minoan:I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,8.26,0.00,36.65,8.59,41.54,4.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00
    Greece_Minoan:I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,9.32,0.00,36.96,7.70,41.32,4.45,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00
    Greece_Minoan:I0073_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,8.10,0.00,39.75,7.43,44.19,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Greece_Minoan:I0074_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,7.12,0.00,38.22,7.49,43.48,3.08,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.60,0.00,0.00
    Greece_Minoan:I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,13.38,0.00,35.43,8.11,38.53,4.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Greece_Mycenaean:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75,3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.58,0.00,0.00
    Greece_Mycenaean:I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_,10.52,2.73,31.92,8.82,36.83,8.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.86,0.00,0.30
    Greece_Mycenaean:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69,1.27,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0.87,3.47,0.98
    Greece_Mycenaean:I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp,20.11,0.00,30.28,9.34,35.01,3.56,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.00,0.00,0.30,0.00
    
    
    Anatolia_EBA:MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,3.30,0.00,18.98,26.27,42.49,7.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.35,0.01,1.06
    Anatolia_EBA:MA2212_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,2.83,0.00,27.28,20.95,39.52,8.68,0.00,0.41,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.33,0.00
    Anatolia_EBA:MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,6.21,0.00,22.22,24.88,38.23,8.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.13,0.00,0.17
    
    
    Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2423_Bulgaria_Late_C_6388_ybp,17.54,0.31,47.40,0.00,31.60,2.65,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00,0.00
    Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2424_Bulgaria_Late_C_6304_ybp,18.23,2.21,41.94,0.00,33.80,3.82,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_ybp,26.87,0.00,40.70,0.00,32.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2427_Bulgaria_Late_C_6340_ybp,14.26,1.69,42.89,0.00,36.95,4.21,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_ybp,25.03,0.00,38.98,0.00,30.42,5.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2431_Bulgaria_Middle_C_6615_ybp,21.46,3.01,39.50,0.00,33.28,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2509_Bulgaria_C_6353_ybp,17.01,0.00,43.94,0.00,34.88,4.17,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp,17.95,0.00,40.47,0.00,35.28,6.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Bulgaria_EBA:I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16.12,30.59,0.13,25.02,3.53,0.00,0.35,0.00,0.00,1.12,0.00,0.00
    Bulgaria_EBA:I2510_Bulgaria_EBA_4758_ybp,17.43,0.00,44.89,0.00,34.76,2.91,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    
    
    Bulgaria_Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    
    
    Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54,23.63,2.29,0,0,0,1,1.21,0,0.18
    Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6,18.4,1.55,0.08,0.5,0.83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13
    Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Mik15,14.45,0,36.91,0.55,41.8,6.29,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Pta08,9.49,0,35.59,5.30,43.72,5.89,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou01,9.32,0,34.63,7.01,45.16,3.88,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou03,11.63,0,30.31,15.51,38.16,3.47,0,0,0,0,0.6,0,0.31
    
    
    Early_Slav:AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp,29.17,40.22,11.71,8.24,7.15,0.06,1.56,0.00,0.48,0.97,0.27,0.00,0.17
    Early_Slav:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0.00,0.00,2.09,0.47,0.11,0.93,0.00
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