Originally Posted by
Faklon
So Northern Greeks turn like Northern Greeks or more specifically early Northern Greeks before mixing with Sourthern Greek civilizations turn like Northern Greeks and they evaluate as an Anatolian Neolithic-Steppe mix as it was obvious from ~2016 when the Anatolian Neolithic and Yamnaya samples came out.
Very interesting.
So much for Northern Greeks being wholly Slavovlachs. I remember Polako posting that ancient Greeks were Iberians and modern Greek clustering hails from a 3-way mix between Iberians, Turks and Udmurts.
the "distance" algorythm is much less sensitive to minor genetic differences than the "mixed mode" algorythms.
according to distances, Helladic MBA is identical to modern mainland Greeks and Albanians, but look at the mixed mode:
Helladic_MBA - gets only steppe populations for it's northern shift, and not a single Balto-Slavic one:
Code:
> oracle("Helladic_MBA",mode="2way",k=100)
[,2]
[1,] "57.3 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 42.7 % RUS_Catacomb" "0.0138"
[2,] "82 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 18 % RUS_Khvalynsk_En" "0.0139"
[3,] "73.9 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 26.1 % KAZ_Dali_MLBA" "0.0144"
[4,] "72.6 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 27.4 % KAZ_Mys_MLBA" "0.0145"
[5,] "58 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 42 % RUS_Afanasievo" "0.0149"
[6,] "72.5 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 27.5 % UZB_Kashkarchi_BA" "0.0149"
[7,] "71.7 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 28.3 % TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA" "0.0151"
[8,] "78 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 22 % RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o2" "0.0151"
[9,] "70.9 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 29.1 % RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA" "0.0152"
[10,] "71.5 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 28.5 % KAZ_Shoendykol_MLBA_Fedorovo" "0.0154"
[11,] "75.1 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 24.9 % KAZ_Satan_MLBA_Alakul" "0.0157"
[12,] "64.6 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 35.4 % Scythian_UKR" "0.0157"
[13,] "73.3 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 26.7 % KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA1" "0.0158"
[14,] "72.8 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 27.2 % KAZ_Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA" "0.0159"
[15,] "71.3 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 28.7 % KAZ_Kyzlbulak_MLBA1" "0.016"
[16,] "71.4 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 28.6 % RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA" "0.0161"
[17,] "74.9 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 25.1 % RUS_Potapovka_MLBA" "0.0161"
[18,] "70.4 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 29.6 % KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA" "0.0162"
[19,] "79.2 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 20.8 % KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul_o" "0.0164"
[20,] "72.2 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 27.8 % KAZ_Zevakinskiy_BA" "0.0164"
mainland Greeks and Albanians - get only Balto-Slavs and Balto-Slavic admixed populations for their northern shift, and no steppe.
Code:
gr_macedonia
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "47 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 53 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0134"
[2,] "34.3 % DEU_Singen_EIA + 65.7 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0141"
[3,] "24.9 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 75.1 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0147"
[4,] "43 % IND_Roopkund_B_o + 57 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0149"
[5,] "78.5 % IND_Roopkund_B + 21.5 % VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA" "0.015"
[6,] "25 % Bell_Beaker_CZE_o + 75 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.015"
[7,] "46.6 % RUS_Sunghir_MA + 53.4 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0152"
[8,] "75.5 % IND_Roopkund_B + 24.5 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0155"
[9,] "61.8 % Scythian_HUN + 38.2 % TUR_Ikiztepe_LC" "0.0155"
[10,] "52.1 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC + 47.9 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.016"
[11,] "77.9 % IND_Roopkund_B + 22.1 % VK2020_POL_Cedynia_VA" "0.0162"
[12,] "52.9 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC + 47.1 % VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA" "0.0164"
[13,] "57.8 % TUR_Isparta_EBA + 42.2 % VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA" "0.0166"
[14,] "36.4 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 63.6 % ITA_Rome_Imperial" "0.0166"
[15,] "76.8 % IND_Roopkund_B + 23.2 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.0167"
[16,] "49.7 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 50.3 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC" "0.0167"
[17,] "77.4 % IND_Roopkund_B + 22.6 % VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA" "0.0167"
[18,] "63.8 % IND_Roopkund_B + 36.2 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0169"
[19,] "64 % ITA_Rome_Imperial + 36 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0169"
[20,] "79.1 % IND_Roopkund_B + 20.9 % VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA" "0.017"
gr_peloponnese
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "76.4 % IND_Roopkund_B + 23.6 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0127"
[2,] "21.4 % DEU_Singen_EIA + 78.6 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0131"
[3,] "52.8 % Scythian_HUN + 47.2 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0137"
[4,] "18.7 % HUN_LBA + 81.3 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0138"
[5,] "56.1 % Scythian_HUN + 43.9 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC" "0.0143"
[6,] "14.9 % HUN_Mako_EBA + 85.1 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0143"
[7,] "15.1 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 84.9 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0144"
[8,] "15.1 % Bell_Beaker_CZE_o + 84.9 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0147"
[9,] "56.7 % Scythian_HUN + 43.3 % TUR_Arslantepe_LC" "0.0147"
[10,] "17.6 % CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany + 82.4 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0148"
[11,] "61.6 % ITA_Collegno_MA_o1 + 38.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0148"
[12,] "15 % DEU_Tollense_BA + 85 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0149"
[13,] "50.8 % IND_Roopkund_B_o + 49.2 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0149"
[14,] "87.1 % IND_Roopkund_B + 12.9 % VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA" "0.015"
[15,] "13.6 % DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA + 86.4 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.015"
[16,] "85.3 % IND_Roopkund_B + 14.7 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0151"
[17,] "60.6 % ITA_Rome_Imperial + 39.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0152"
[18,] "86 % IND_Roopkund_B + 14 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.0153"
[19,] "86.4 % IND_Roopkund_B + 13.6 % VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA" "0.0154"
[20,] "58.2 % Scythian_HUN + 41.8 % TUR_Arslantepe_EBA" "0.0154"
Albanian
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "59.4 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 40.6 % VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA" "0.0144"
[2,] "52.9 % Cycladic_EBA + 47.1 % VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA" "0.0146"
[3,] "30.3 % Baltic_EST_IA + 69.7 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0149"
[4,] "63.7 % Cycladic_EBA + 36.3 % Baltic_EST_IA" "0.0151"
[5,] "54.9 % Cycladic_EBA + 45.1 % HUN_Avar_Szolad" "0.0158"
[6,] "61.1 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 38.9 % UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine" "0.0159"
[7,] "59.8 % Cycladic_EBA + 40.2 % VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA" "0.0159"
[8,] "55.2 % Cycladic_EBA + 44.8 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0159"
[9,] "63.1 % Scythian_HUN + 36.9 % TUR_Ikiztepe_LC" "0.016"
[10,] "50.8 % Cycladic_EBA + 49.2 % CZE_Early_Slav" "0.016"
[11,] "30.9 % Baltic_EST_MA + 69.1 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0162"
[12,] "34.9 % DEU_Singen_EIA + 65.1 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0163"
[13,] "35.7 % DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA + 64.3 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0164"
[14,] "61.9 % IND_Roopkund_B + 38.1 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0164"
[15,] "64.3 % Scythian_HUN + 35.7 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC" "0.0164"
[16,] "61.7 % Scythian_HUN + 38.3 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0164"
[17,] "63 % Cycladic_EBA + 37 % Baltic_EST_MA" "0.0166"
[18,] "49.6 % TUR_Buyukkaya_EC + 50.4 % VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA" "0.0166"
[19,] "55.4 % BGR_Krepost_N + 44.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad" "0.0166"
[20,] "56.6 % Cycladic_EBA + 43.4 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.0166"
this is what gets picked by the algorythm from the full sheet, so there's no sample choice bias.
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