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    Can someone plot them on K15? I'm curious where they land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Wouldn't they plot more north in such case? I'm not sure, just asking. Maybe we should wait for Lucas to run other samples.
    You're forgetting about the other 50% lol. No extra WHG, and their other stuff wouldn't be solely EEF either, but a lot of extra post-neolithic MENA.

    N. Europeans are basically 70% Steppe_MLBA, 80-85%+ Bell Beaker, 50% Steppe/Yamnaya, Steppe_MLBA still plots south(and still east) of N. Europeans.

    Either way, we still have no idea if the model is using Yamnaya or Steppe_MLBA, Steppe_MLBA are Token's words only.
    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    You're forgetting about the other 50% lol. No extra WHG, and their other stuff wouldn't be solely EEF either, but a lot of extra post-neolithic MENA.

    N. Europeans are basically 70% Steppe_MLBA, 80-85%+ Bell Beaker, 50% Steppe/Yamnaya, Steppe_MLBA plots south of N. Europeans.
    Thanks for explanation! That makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alenka View Post
    Can someone plot them on K15? I'm curious where they land.
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    Log02,16.47,23.42,2.11,0,18.51,9.62,22.87,3.59,0,0,0,0.43,1.83,0,1.16
    Distance to: Log02
    7.40096615 Tuscan
    7.69314630 France_Corsica
    7.82740059 Italy_Tuscany
    8.34017386 Italy_Marche
    8.49748786 Italy_Emiliaromagna
    8.60634650 Italy_Liguria
    8.74878849 Italy_Lazio
    10.41768208 Italy_Lombardy
    10.60580973 West_Sicilian
    12.03777803 Sicily_Syracuse
    12.61178021 French_Provence
    12.88009705 Sicily_Trapani
    13.21559685 Italy_Veneto
    13.55064574 Albanian-South
    13.59731223 Italy_Abruzzo
    13.90364341 Italy_Friuli
    13.96006805 Italy_Piedmont
    14.04677899 Sicily_Enna
    14.14832499 Sicily_Caltanisetta
    14.25975806 Italy_Apulia
    14.28785498 Sicily_Ragusa
    14.49337435 Albanian-North
    14.68797127 Albanian-Kosovo
    14.74337478 Sicily_Palermo
    14.81100604 Italy_Central_Sicily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Wouldn't they plot more north in such case? I'm not sure, just asking. Maybe we should wait for Lucas to run other samples.
    Ladinia is in far northern Alpine Italy, that is already quite northern. But lets see the others.

    Edit: K15 looks more southern...

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    I was guessing it would be North Italian like, but it makes sense with how woggy EBA Greeks were.

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    Pta08 Minoan-Petras-EBA


    K36

    Distance to: x
    1.92805628 GR_Symi
    1.96690258 GR_Karpathos
    2.02487362 GR_Ikaria
    2.09197149 IT_Calabria
    2.14519680 Sicily_Ragusa
    2.17573308 Sicily_Katania
    2.21352344 GR_Kythira
    2.21796022 GR_Kos
    2.22320377 Sicily_Siracuse
    2.23655737 Sicily_Trapani

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    Would it explain why some Aegean Turks (like the user Hapanuwa) get Italian on gedmatch results?

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    How many Helladic samples are there? Can someone post the Dodcad K12b and Eurogenes K13 for the most Steppe shifted sample?
    50% Sintastha/late Corded Ware isn't that much. NW Europeans reach almost 70-75%%.

    I would be really surprised if pre-proto Greeks didn't originate in the Catacomb culture or the the culture preceding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    I was guessing it would be North Italian like, but it makes sense with how woggy EBA Greeks were.
    Their non-Steppe part should be almost entirely Anatolia_BA-like. Even modern day North Italians derive ca 20% of their genome from Bronze Age Anatolia.

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