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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    About the dictionary from Kostur / "The Kostur Bulgarian-Greek dictionary from the XVI century" / in Bulgarian from the 16th century, found in the Vatican, but when published in 50 years, manipulated by two French professors. The original reads Bulgarian. It was handed over to the Vatican in 1620, but it seems to be older, that is, from the 16th century. The book was discovered as part of a large codex in the Vatican Library (Cap. S. Pietro C 152), and is a Greek text, probably written by a person named Gin, containing several pages of Greek words translated into Bulgarian and one Bulgarian song with erotic content. It dates from the 16th century and was donated to the Vatican in 1620.It was discovered by a cardinal named Mercanti, who encouraged French professors Siro Giannielli and Andre Valant.The latter translated everything from it, except the words "Bulgarian", replacing them with "Macedonian". This is widely circulated on the English-speaking Internet, as a clear proof of the Macedonian dictionary and language, respectively.Extreme scientific dishonesty ....Here are the texts, you will clearly see the inscription in the title "BULGARIAN", as well as the words from the dictionary.



    And the words in the dictionary with Cyrillic transcription


    The story must be adequate to the facts and then there is no problem.In this case, we are talking about a pure lie on the part of the two professors, and this is not history.
    I guess the only problem the Frenchman had with labeling it as Bulgarian was that they saw that there was already a Bulgar Turkic language with the same name. To avoid confusion, they named it Macedonian, as it was found in Kostur/Kastoria, Macedonia.

    I don't see any other reason they would lie about it. Unless you think they were influenced by the communists?

    But granted. Yes, it appears the original says Bulgarian in Greek letters.

    Very interesting and quite astounding is the fact that alot of those words noted from the 16th century still exist in modern Macedonian. It looks like Macedonian has been preserved very well down the centuries.

    But im sure you would agree, by looking at those words, that it appears they look different from what you know to be the standard Bulgarian language today in Bulgaria? (yes i know your language is based off the eastern dialects).

    Following is a list of sentences made up using the words in that same source. And how they compare to the Bitola dialect (Bitola dialect was the basis of the standard Macedonian language).
    16th cent., Kostur dialect
    21st cent., Bitola dialect

    Gospodine, brate, da si zdrav, da si prost, ostavi ni da spime, ela da jame, i da pieme, dol da pojdime, da rabotime.
    Gospodine, brate, da si zdrav, da si prost, ostai ne da spiame, ela da jaime, i da piame, dolu da pojdime, da rabotime.

    Imate hljap-o da kupime, imate vino da kupime, ot koja strana da pojdime vo Bogasko.
    Imate lep da kupime, imate vino da kupime, od koja strana da pojdime vo Bogatsko.

    This is the front cover of the translation by the Frenchmen:

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    “With the book of Paisii Hilendarski (born in Macedonia), the Bulgarian revival started and the Slavic speaking people from Ohrid till the Black sea recognized themselves as descendants of the empire described in the book of Paisii, as the Serbian and Greek ideas (which appeared earlier), were foreign. And this was quite natural as the people living in these territories lived together for hundred of years and shared same language and traditions and faith. Even during Rum Millet, the people of modern Macedonia and Bulgaria were interacting all the time. For example, we had huge Macedonian settlements in Thrace and vice versa.”

    Okay Archduke, it took a Serbian by the name of JOVAN RAJIC who influenced your Paiisy to write some revival works of B’lgari, Paiisy was reluctant at the beginning, but followed through. Jovan Rajic felt sorrow for the Bulgars who struggled during Ottoman days, Jovan Rajic also realised the Bulgars were on their way to being assimilated.

    You know HILENDAR is a Serbian Monastery?

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    That the Bulgaria had issued Bulgarian - Greek Dictionary claiming the language in Aegean Macedonia was Bulgarian is a fact, but the truth is that language was/is Macedonian not Bulgarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novi Pazar View Post
    “With the book of Paisii Hilendarski (born in Macedonia), the Bulgarian revival started and the Slavic speaking people from Ohrid till the Black sea recognized themselves as descendants of the empire described in the book of Paisii, as the Serbian and Greek ideas (which appeared earlier), were foreign. And this was quite natural as the people living in these territories lived together for hundred of years and shared same language and traditions and faith. Even during Rum Millet, the people of modern Macedonia and Bulgaria were interacting all the time. For example, we had huge Macedonian settlements in Thrace and vice versa.”

    Okay Archduke, it took a Serbian by the name of JOVAN RAJIC who influenced your Paiisy to write some revival works of B’lgari, Paiisy was reluctant at the beginning, but followed through. Jovan Rajic felt sorrow for the Bulgars who struggled during Ottoman days, Jovan Rajic also realised the Bulgars were on their way to being assimilated.

    You know HILENDAR is a Serbian Monastery?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    The Bulgarians were dragged out of Hellenism by Pan-Slavic forces in Russia and Serbia. It's funny how they spit on these nations today, and even have the nerve to call us Serbian creations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    The Bulgarians were dragged out of Hellenism by Pan-Slavic forces in Russia and Serbia. It's funny how they spit on these nations today, and even have the nerve to call us Serbian creations.
    Paisij Hilendarski wrote his 'istoria slavyano-bolgarskaya' before this book by Rajic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Paisij Hilendarski wrote his 'istoria slavyano-bolgarskaya' before this book by Rajic.
    Perhaps, but he was based at the Serbian monastery Hilandar and even takes his name from there. He is THE revivalist of the Bulgarian nation and was influenced by the Serbs directly and the Russians. The Exarchate was a Russian project, a pan-Slavic project that would see them implant themselves in the Balkans. The Exarchate/Bulgarian Orthodox Church remained schismatic precisely because of it's political/national roots. Its schism ended when it renounced eparchies in Macedonia and other areas in 1953. This is also the reason why the BOC could not accept to be a mother church of the MOC a couple of years ago (besides Russian influence in the BOC).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    Perhaps, but he was based at the Serbian monastery Hilandar and even takes his name from there. He is THE revivalist of the Bulgarian nation and was influenced by the Serbs directly and the Russians. The Exarchate was a Russian project, a pan-Slavic project that would see them implant themselves in the Balkans. The Exarchate/Bulgarian Orthodox Church remained schismatic precisely because of it's political/national roots. Its schism ended when it renounced eparchies in Macedonia and other areas in 1953. This is also the reason why the BOC could not accept to be a mother church of the MOC a couple of years ago (besides Russian influence in the BOC).
    Peter Bogdan, a supposed Bulgarian revivalist wrote a "History of Bulgaria" in the 17th century (apparently).

    They found the 'long lost' manuscript a few years ago, and claimed they were going to translate. But still does not appear anywhere to be found.

    Apparently he wrote about what he considered Bulgarian ethnic territory.

    https://balkaninsight.com/2017/12/20...ry-12-18-2017/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Peter Bogdan, a supposed Bulgarian revivalist wrote a "History of Bulgaria" in the 17th century (apparently).

    They found the 'long lost' manuscript a few years ago, and claimed they were going to translate. But still does not appear anywhere to be found.

    Apparently he wrote about what he considered Bulgarian ethnic territory.

    https://balkaninsight.com/2017/12/20...ry-12-18-2017/
    Petar Bogdan Baksic

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