Is Exorcism legit?

**Mortimer** · 01-18-2021, 03:43 AM

Or dangerous and do other christian denominations have it too or even other world religions or just Catholics?

**Vojnik** · 01-18-2021, 03:46 AM

Do demonic spirits posses people? Yes. Can they be expelled by the power of Jesus Christ? Yes.

So, yes.

**Lemon Kush** · 01-18-2021, 03:51 AM

Yes, I think many of the people who carry out these mass shootings are possessed by the devil in some way. What else would drive a person to do something so horrendous?

**Dick** · 01-18-2021, 03:54 AM

Orthodox do it too. I can tell you a story that a Bosnian Serb told me but it's too freaky even thinking about it and I don't wan't to go to bed with nightmares

**Toddy Frent** · 01-18-2021, 04:08 AM

Hypnotism and trance-like states should be considered to explain part of the phenomenon.

**PaleoEuropean** · 01-18-2021, 04:59 AM

Idk I am inclined to say no. I have seen a lot of stuff in my day but never seen someone possessed. I think that Demons are more or less deceivers, they don't have power to interfere with free will. Some are benign and more or less just part of the spiritual ecosystem, but some are malicious and can hound people. There are people in suits and ties far eviler than any demon could hope to be. I feel that we want to believe in humanity so much and are so scared of the natural physiological defects that plague our over populated world that we associate that which disturbs us with supernaturality.

I have seen things others may not believe so I keep an open mind. I just know from doing outreach on the streets that the world is disturbing and cruel by itself. I never sense evil from mentally ill people or those some would suspect of being afflicted by possession. I think it's a slippery slope to associate certain behaviors with possession. To me someone possessed would be fully cognizant and aware even successful. I don't think some great ancient primordial entity would waste it's time screwing up some random persons life. God is just and would never punish someone who was afflicted with an illness or possessed if they themselves weren't evil and aware beforehand.

**Vojnik** · 01-18-2021, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean

Idk I am inclined to say no. I have seen a lot of stuff in my day but never seen someone possessed. I think that Demons are more or less deceivers, they don't have power to interfere with free will. Some are benign and more or less just part of the spiritual ecosystem, but some are malicious and can hound people. There are people in suits and ties far eviler than any demon could hope to be. I feel that we want to believe in humanity so much and are so scared of the natural physiological defects that plague our over populated world that we associate that which disturbs us with supernaturality.

I have seen things others may not believe so I keep an open mind. I just know from doing outreach on the streets that the world is disturbing and cruel by itself. I never sense evil from mentally ill people or those some would suspect of being afflicted by possession. I think it's a slippery slope to associate certain behaviors with possession. To me someone possessed would be fully cognizant and aware even successful. I don't think some great ancient primordial entity would waste it's time screwing up some random persons life. God is just and would never punish someone who was afflicted with an illness or possessed if they themselves weren't evil and aware beforehand.

The LORD Jesus expelled some demons. It's in the Gospels.

The Healing of the Gadarene Demoniac

5 They went to the other side of the sea to the region of the Gadarenes. 2 When He had come out of the boat, immediately a man with an unclean spirit came out of the tombs and met Him. 3 He lived among the tombs. And no one could constrain him, not even with chains, 4 because he had often been bound with shackles and chains. But he had pulled the chains apart and broken the shackles to pieces. And no one could subdue him. 5 Always, night and day, he was in the mountains and in the tombs, crying out and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran up and kneeled before Him, 7 and cried out with a loud voice, “What have You to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure You by God, do not torment me.” 8 For Jesus said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
9 Then He asked him, “What is your name?”
He answered, “My name is Legion. For we are many.” 10 And he begged Him repeatedly not to send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was a great herd of swine feeding near the mountains. 12 All the demons pleaded with Him, asking, “Send us to the swine, so that we may enter them.” 13 At once, Jesus gave them leave. Then the unclean spirits came out and entered the swine. And the herd, numbering about two thousand, ran wildly down a steep hill into the sea and were drowned in the sea.

**PaleoEuropean** · 01-18-2021, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Vojnik

The LORD Jesus expelled some demons. It's in the Gospels.

But the NT is compiled by Roman Catholics, I am weary of anything that isn't a direct quote from Jesus. Not to say people shouldn't have faith or believe what they believe I am just a suspicious hillibilly when it comes to doctrine compiled and possibly edited by the councils of Nicaea and Constantinople. I am probably on the extreme spectrum of protestant when it comes to that stuff. I just try to take a scholarly perspective on things. Which to some probably seems counter intuitive to faith; but it's important that Christianity especially Protestants ask questions, have their own scholarly procedure, interpretation etc. But I am also a student of the enlightenment so I may have biases as well when it comes to academic subjects and thinking.

**Vojnik** · 01-18-2021, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean

But the NT is compiled by Roman Catholics, I am weary of anything that isn't a direct quote from Jesus. Not to say people shouldn't have faith or believe what they believe I am just a suspicious hillibilly when it comes to doctrine compiled and possibly edited by the councils of Nicaea and Constantinople. I am probably on the extreme spectrum of protestant when it comes to that stuff. I just try to take a scholarly perspective on things. Which to some probably seems counter intuitive to faith; but it's important that Christianity especially Protestants ask questions, have their own scholarly procedure, interpretation etc. But I am also a student of the enlightenment so I may have biases as well when it comes to academic subjects and thinking.

The whole of the new testament was written within the first century. We have manuscripts to back that up.

Roman Catholicism occurred 900 or so years later when the great Schism occurred between east and west. Before that, there was one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. This Apostolic Church is the group that put the new testament together.

If you believe Jesus, you believe his words when he says:

Matthew 16:18 -

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

So what you are saying is that Jesus was wrong, and that his church he set up with Peter was corrupted. Which is blasphemy.

Repent of that Brother in humanity. Don't fall for the satanic deception you see on TV about 'bible corruption'.