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Central-southern Italians are the Europeans of more Middle Eastern origin
About 63-69% of the ancestors of central-southern Italians before the Neolithic migrations were in the Middle East:
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I don't know much but I think Umbria might be the most Italic part of Italy. It's a small and landlocked region, partially mountainous. Neither Northern, nor Southern. Are there any genuine DNA samples from there?
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The Umbrians have about 25-30% of their ancestors outside Italy 3300 years ago as a consequence of the successive Osco-Umbrian migrations mainly. So in this sense only about 27% of the origin is original Italic and therefore not by assimilation of pre-existing peoples. With the exception of the Sardinians, those who have had ancestors in Italian territory for generations are probably the Calabrians (Only about 18-20% of their ancestors is due to Indo-European migrations such as Osco-Umbrian, Latin-Faliscan, Greeks and the like, therefore the About 80 -82% of their ancestors were already in Italy before the Indo-European expansion, contrary to about 70% of the Umbrians.Originally Posted by Leto
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That Anatolian farmer component being that high in North Africa is total bullshit.
Yeah, the folks of the Italian Peninsula today have well over half their ancestry in Anatolia circa 7,000 BC.
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No, it is not at all. Also on various calculator such as Eurogenes K13 emerges. North Africans are essentially descended from hunter-gatherers present from well before the Neolithic in North Africa and from Neolithic farmers of Middle Eastern origin who have spread agriculture. To a very minor extent they are descended from Sub-Saharanians, Phoenicians and Arabs responsible for the spread of Islam. From what I have seen in general about 8-9% of the ancestors are Muslim Arab migrants of the Middle Ages and about 1-2% of the ancestors are Phoenicians, so about 10% of that Anatolian component probably comes from them, and therefore in general about 50% of their ancestors are directly attributable to the descendants of Middle Eastern farmers. Differently from the Italians, however, their Neolithic origins are much more archaic: the Italians owe about 75% of anatolian farmer to Middle Eastern farmers who arrived in the late Chalcolithic in Italy, mainly responsible for the very high caucasian-hunther-gathers heritage and today's j2a diffusion with ancestral origin of the Kura-Araxes culture, while the North Africans derive almost totally that 50% of Anatolian farmer directed by the very first Levantine Neolithic farmers uncontaminated by the migrations that will take place around the Chalcolithic that will enrich the Levant and southern Europe with j2 and Chg. In that image it is called "anatolia" because it is specifically targeted for Europeans and Neolithic migrations in Europe have essentially made their way to Anatolia, but in the North African case there is nothing Anatolian but Levantine.
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Check out the samples of the "North Italians, Center and South Italians" on the Global 25, apart from the Sardinians, none reach 80% of purely EEF.
It is much more complex. The Indo-European contribution is significant in the North, the Center and the South compared to the Sardinians, but the difference is that the North has more conserved the autochthonous contributions (preindo-European + Western Hunter Gatherer) with the central sardinians, than the center and the south , who received more influxes of Iran and Caucasus farmer + levant neolithic mixed with indo-european (but few WHG); but depending on the place and the village of central Italy, there was less influx of these three "populations" that I have just mentioned, which is why we still notice a distance between many part "central italy" and the south of italy.
North Africans have between 10 and 20 percent Negro blood, which is indigenous, and they had more Negro blood in the past than they do today. Which is attested by genetic studies. Nothing new, Adamms will tell you the exact same thing (he is Moroccan).
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EEF has a very significant whg component. it is an excellent proxy for the first European Neolithic farmers, who having mixed with the pre-existing peoples were similar to the Sardinians, not of the original Middle Eastern ancestors resulting from the Neolithic migrations, which are well represented by my map. About 25-30% of the ancestors of central Italians were out of Italy 3300 years ago as a consequence of the Osco-Umbrian Indo-Europeans, Latin-Faliscans, Gauls and Protogals and so on, but for the northerners it reaches 35-40%; but this also includes all the offspring eef absorbed. If we assume (and it is reasonable) that the original Indo-Europeans had 37-40% ane, given that today's northern and central Italians have about 8.5% of ane 8.5 * 2.5 = 21-22% of original Indo-European ancestry about the same for Northern Italians and Central Italians (21-22% of ancestors yamnaya). In the Italian case, the chg inheritance is largely Neolithic (not for the Sardinians though); So the remaining 78-79% are eef. This is totally in accordance with this map as well: https://cache.eupedia.com/images/con..._admixture.png
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Italian with ancestry from Lazio, Marche and Abruzzo
North_Atlantic 22.69 Pct
Baltic 11.44 Pct
West_Med 21.97 Pct
West_Asian 15.7 Pct
East_Med 22.15 Pct
Red_Sea 4.42 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.78 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.11 Pct
Distance to: Massimo
5.77085782 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.88636560 Greek_Western-Thrace
5.92752056 Greek_West_Macedonia
6.56777740 IT_Marche
6.67436139 IT_Lazio
6.78762845 IT_Umbria
6.80446912 Italian
6.87992733 Greek_Northeast
7.12292777 IT_Romagna
7.43292675 Greek
7.66484834 Greek_Central
7.72705636 Greek_Athens
7.76871450 Greek_Thessaly
7.89597366 Greek_Peloponnese
8.05235990 IT_Basilicata
8.11147336 Albanian_Tosk
8.13277935 IT_Abruzzo
8.13319740 Albanian
8.38208805 Albanian_Gheg
8.38902855 Greek_Cyclades
Distance to: Massimo
2.02612369 18.20% Adygei + 81.80% IT_Tuscan
2.04085146 84.60% IT_Romagna + 15.40% Kabardin
2.09721230 15.40% Balkar + 84.60% IT_Romagna
2.10843070 85.80% IT_Romagna + 14.20% North_Ossetian
2.15182260 15.00% Adygei + 85.00% IT_Romagna
2.16196483 85.60% IT_Romagna + 14.40% Ossetian
2.21544220 82.60% IT_Tuscan + 17.40% North_Ossetian
2.26729976 77.20% France_Corsica + 22.80% Lezgin
2.27230808 80.00% IT_Tuscan + 20.00% Kumyk
2.27352133 18.60% Balkar + 81.40% IT_Tuscan
2.29474438 81.40% IT_Tuscan + 18.60% Kabardin
2.29538238 16.60% Georgian + 83.40% IT_Tuscan
2.31905238 14.60% Balkar + 85.40% Italian
2.32159674 85.40% Italian + 14.60% Kabardin
2.33055562 29.80% Greek_Caucasus + 70.20% IT_Piedmont
2.34945900 14.60% Ingush + 85.40% IT_Romagna
2.35531243 14.20% Adygei + 85.80% Italian
2.35892992 86.40% Italian + 13.60% North_Ossetian
2.38771703 23.40% Chechen + 76.60% France_Corsica
2.41084227 86.40% Italian + 13.60% Ossetian
North_Sea 14.62 Pct
Atlantic 14.72 Pct
Baltic 10.19 Pct
Eastern_Euro 0.93 Pct
West_Med 18.61 Pct
West_Asian 15.55 Pct
East_Med 20.22 Pct
Red_Sea 4.18 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.41 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.53 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: Massimo
6.10517813 Albanian-North
6.91947975 Italy_Marche
7.04828348 Greek_Thessaly
7.33043655 Albanian-South
7.52518881 Kosovo_Albanian
7.93978589 Albanian-Kosovo
8.15514561 Italy_Lazio
8.65153166 Italy_Abruzzo
8.66360851 GR_Peloponese
8.93275993 Tuscan
9.13807420 Albanian-Macedonia
9.29805356 Central_Greek
9.39739385 GR_Macedonia
9.64080909 Italy_Emiliaromagna
9.74450614 Italy_Apulia
9.77271712 Greek
9.97236682 Italy_Tuscany
9.97554009 Sicily_Syracuse
9.99904495 East_Sicilian
10.32155027 Sicily_Trapani
Distance to: Massimo
4.48463202 86.20% Italy_Lazio + 13.80% North_Ossetian
4.76248610 14.40% Balkar + 85.60% Italy_Lazio
4.80076967 85.40% Italy_Lazio + 14.60% Kabardin
4.83823752 89.60% Italy_Marche + 10.40% North_Ossetian
4.88320677 14.00% Adygei + 86.00% Italy_Lazio
4.93239453 86.60% Italy_Lazio + 13.40% Ossetian
4.94927338 13.60% Chechen + 86.40% Italy_Lazio
5.02791382 89.00% Italy_Marche + 11.00% Kabardin
5.03161133 10.80% Balkar + 89.20% Italy_Marche
5.06010240 6.60% Abhkasian + 93.40% Albanian-North
5.07722497 92.80% Albanian-North + 7.20% Georgian
5.09021682 10.40% Adygei + 89.60% Italy_Marche
5.15631405 92.80% Albanian-North + 7.20% Ossetian
5.17129479 15.80% Georgian + 84.20% Italy_Emiliaromagna
5.17564881 82.80% Italy_Emiliaromagna + 17.20% Turk_Meskhetian
5.17877509 17.40% Georgian_Laz + 82.60% Italy_Emiliaromagna
5.17980868 10.00% Chechen + 90.00% Italy_Marche
5.19831583 11.60% Abhkasian + 88.40% Italy_Lazio
5.19883249 93.00% Albanian-North + 7.00% North_Ossetian
5.20850157 14.40% Abhkasian + 85.60% Italy_Emiliaromagna
Gedrosia 7.33 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.34 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.45 Pct
North_European 21.42 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.66 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 30.57 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Massimo
3.24790702 Greek_Central
3.47185829 Greek_Peloponnese
3.79464096 Greek_Thrace
3.99822461 Albanian
4.14726416 Italian_Lazio
4.24679879 Greek_Athens
4.32289255 Greek_Thessaly
4.97505779 Greek_Thessaloniki
5.53516793 Italian_Marche
5.85246956 Italian_Apulia
5.97679680 Italian_Abruzzo
6.14486778 Bulgarian_Thrace
6.61359963 Greek_Foca
6.82126821 Albanian_Kosovo
7.09929574 Greek_Lemnos
7.23671887 Italian_Romagna
7.41876000 Turk_Makedonya
9.01463810 Italian_Campania
9.19227393 Italian_Sicily
10.15815928 Italian_Tuscany
Distance to: Massimo
0.65075794 71.00% Italian_Abruzzo + 29.00% Macedonian
0.70691918 30.20% Bulgarian_West + 69.80% Italian_Abruzzo
0.72908161 40.00% Bavarian_German + 60.00% Greek_Rhodes
0.74768817 36.60% Greek_Macedonia + 63.40% Italian_Abruzzo
0.76185169 70.00% Italian_Abruzzo + 30.00% MD_South
0.77129198 31.60% Bulgarian_Central + 68.40% Italian_Abruzzo
0.79248950 71.60% Italian_Abruzzo + 28.40% Romanian
0.83299870 19.40% Bosnian + 80.60% Italian_Abruzzo
0.87111825 74.00% Italian_Abruzzo + 26.00% Montenegrin
0.89901634 77.80% Italian_Abruzzo + 22.20% Serb
0.90840229 77.80% Italian_Abruzzo + 22.20% MD_Center
0.90998685 69.80% Italian_Abruzzo + 30.20% Pomak_Bulgaria
0.92181962 38.60% Bavarian_German + 61.40% Greek_Kos
0.92471909 18.60% Croat + 81.40% Italian_Abruzzo
0.94206226 80.60% Italian_Abruzzo + 19.40% MD_North
0.94281051 87.80% Italian_Abruzzo + 12.20% PL_Mazovia
0.98166960 36.00% Bulgarian_East + 64.00% Italian_Abruzzo
0.98487587 12.00% Belorussian + 88.00% Italian_Abruzzo
0.99958221 87.20% Italian_Abruzzo + 12.80% Ukrainian
1.00616826 88.00% Italian_Abruzzo + 12.00% Russian_Smolensk
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Where specifically would it come from? These are the averages: https://ilsizzi.files.wordpress.com/.../medie-k13.png
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Where specifically would it come from? These are the averages: https://ilsizzi.files.wordpress.com/.../medie-k13.png
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