Y-DNA study on North Macedonia

**Novi Pazar** · 01-20-2021, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean

R1a isn't Turkish though, its Indo-Aryan. You can find I2, G etc among Mongoloid peoples because they adopted entire tribes of people just like the Vikings did. Most "Turkish" Balkan peoples are just natives who adopted Turkish culture.

Haplogroup R (R, R1a, R1b) is Siberian, originated from there. Haplogroup I is native European. Haplogroup I and J are cousin haplogroups, derived from IJ. I’ve read from somewhere haplogroup R groups were bearers initially of agglutinative languages, check out the Turk tribe of Bashkirs who are dominant R1b. Arabic and Aryan languages whom Slavs are the forefathers of Aryan are both non agglutinative languages.

**Thracian** · 01-20-2021, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by planina

I don't know but I2a seems consistently to be associated more with Slavic speaking people.

I believe so.

**Thracian** · 01-20-2021, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean

R1a isn't Turkish though, its Indo-Aryan. You can find I2, G etc among Mongoloid peoples because they adopted entire tribes of people just like the Vikings did. Most "Turkish" Balkan peoples are just natives who adopted Turkish culture.

I did not claim that R1a is Turkic.

I was expecting more R1a, specifically more R1a-Z282 -not Z93- among Turks from Macedonia. I am not sure about Turks from Greece but at least for Turks from Bulgaria, the percentage of R1a-Z282 is not negligible for us unlike Turks of Macedonia.

**PaleoEuropean** · 01-20-2021, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Thracian

I did not claim that R1a is Turkic.

I was expecting more R1a, specifically more R1a-Z282 -not Z93- among Turks from Macedonia. I am not sure about Turks from Greece but at least for Turks from Bulgaria, the percentage of R1a-Z282 is not negligible for us unlike Turks of Macedonia.

I would compare the overall R1a in Bulgaria and the regions where Turks are found, could just be the natural rate.

**Thracian** · 01-20-2021, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean

I would compare the overall R1a in Bulgaria and the regions where Turks are found, could just be the natural rate.

Maybe Kaspias has data for both Bulgarians and Turks. I am not sure if he has regional averages for Turks.

**Kaspias** · 01-20-2021, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Thracian

Maybe Kaspias has data for both Bulgarians and Turks. I am not sure if he has regional averages for Turks.

I need a reordering in the dataset to provide regional distribution, and the sample size would be pretty low for each region. Therefore I don't intend to do it at least for now.

Bulgarians(N=550):

Turks(the most are from Bulgaria and Greece, only a few from N. Macedonia):

Elevated R1b, J2, radically elevated N.
Lesser E-V13, I2, G, J1.
A similar amount of R1a.

When presuming Turkic community had no I2:

13.85% is 62% of 22.32%.

When presuming Turkic community had no E-V13:

15.38% is 69% of 22.12%.

When removed 60% to 70% of Bulgarian admixture from the Turkish breakdown:

**~~Linebacker~~** · 01-20-2021, 04:46 PM

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BOOGARS BAD.BOOGARS TATARS.

**catgeorge** · 01-20-2021, 08:27 PM

Dumb research report of two years ago on the promotion of haplo nationalism. Thats why basic genetics like this is for the rubbish bin.

**Novi Pazar** · 02-02-2021, 02:22 AM

^ people like Albanians, let’s say they had any paleo genes in their system, which they don’t, would hammer all of us here that they are the rightful owners of Haimos. Since it doesn’t fit well with their made up history they call genetics BS.

I see genetics as another guide or tool that can be used to prove migrations etc....