Is Toxic Masculinity a real thing?

[Seya]

Yeah, but this kind of social pressure affects all of us, and has always done it, at different levels and in many different areas. "Masculinity" is just one of them. One could as well talk about "Toxic Femininity", just go to a club and look at all those girls who try and look like bitchy princesses to draw attention and out-compete other females, conforming to the rules and models and pressures that the society has set on them. In other cultures rules and models would be different, but the society still pressures people, and has always done it. It's an universal phenomenon, I think based upon the fact that we are social beings and probably instinctively geared towards competition and hierarchy, while we need rules to live together. The problem with the "Toxic Masculinity" theory, like with all the other "woke" theories, is that it puts all the blame on certain categories of people, in this case males, and social institutions, in this case the "Patriarchate". It is an extreme, self-serving theory that is ultimately based on several unproved assumptions. But of course that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't some valid points in the theory.

I don't care about this subject tbh. The first time I've ever heard about this term was on TA. Such concepts are foreign to my region but your comparison isn't right. There is no such pressure on women. This is the truth. Women acting less "feminine" isn't seen as bad as the other way around...not even close. It can even be considered a quality. You can see that even in statistics...man are from 2 to 4 times more prone to suicide. It might be some truth to it.

[Red Pill]

I don't care about this subject tbh. The first time I've ever heard about this term was on TA. Such concepts are foreign to my region but your comparison isn't right. There is no such pressure on women. This is the truth. Women acting less "feminine" isn't seen as bad as the other way around...not even close. It can even be considered a quality. You can see that even in statistics...man are from 2 to 4 times more prone to suicide. It might be some truth to it.

Maybe, but it's difficult to find an objective answer because it depends on how exactly one defines "acting feminine" and "acting masculine". This is also affected by culture and has changed with time, particularly in the west. However the suicide rate may be affected by many factors, so I don't think it's a valid argument to prove that the society poses more pressure on men.

[Seya]

Maybe, but it's difficult to find an objective answer because it depends on how exactly one defines "acting feminine" and "acting masculine". This is also affected by culture and has changed with time, particularly in the west. However the suicide rate may be affected by many factors, so I don't think it's a valid argument to prove that the society poses more pressure on men.

This concept applies differently to every culture. The suicide rate is affected by the environment we're living in and it's mostly related to financial problems or bullying and shaming. You never hear anyone shaming a woman for having financial problems, for example. In most societies a lot more is expected from a man than from a woman. it might not be a problem for you, or for most people but for some people it is apparently. And I think gender roles should remain very well defined and encouraged, but not everyone is fit for this. Maybe those people should just be left alone. Bringing someone to the brink of despair isn't a solution. I used to know someone in such situation who attempted suicide several times.

[Smitty]

Toxic masculinity is masculinity, which the Marxist left would like to destroy because it is one of the most vital linchpins of a functioning society. Masculine men marry; have offspring; hold their families together, provide for them, and protect them; and pass on values to the next generation. This foundation of society is inimical to Marxist ideology because Marxism seeks discontent and revolution wherever and whenever it can find them.

[Peterski]

And I think gender roles should remain very well defined and encouraged

So called "toxic masculinity" = when nobody cares what women think.

[planina]

This concept applies differently to every culture. The suicide rate is affected by the environment we're living in and it's mostly related to financial problems or bullying and shaming. You never hear anyone shaming a woman for having financial problems, for example. In most societies a lot more is expected from a man than from a woman. it might not be a problem for you, or for most people but for some people it is apparently. And I think gender roles should remain very well defined and encouraged, but not everyone is fit for this. Maybe those people should just be left alone. Bringing someone to the brink of despair isn't a solution. I used to know someone in such situation who attempted suicide several times.

That doesn't mean that women are more happy, it's just that men can be more careless therefor take the steps to committing suicide on average more than a woman. Like for example how most jails are filled with men since men have higher crime rates.

Financial problems is not the only reason why people commit suicide or because of pressure or what is expected of them. It's pretty dumb to commit suicide because of financial problems when there is a way out of that.

Also, I disagree about these men not being able to handle gender roles and that therefor they commit suicide. It does not explain feminism. Also for example women are handed things easier in society than men in many cases. I think men should focus on levelling up more by following their purpose and passion and learn to play the game different.

As for the OP question, Toxic Masculinity is not really a thing, at least not in the west. In fact feminism and shaming of men is the toxicity. It's not that men can't handle it, it's that these women who are losers want some rich model looking guy, and what bothers me are these simps that suck up to even the most un attractive ones or mentally deranged ones that do not even have respect for them.

Men should learn to be more picky with women and have better self control. And be able to walk away and have a back bone.

[planina]

My whole point is that your idea of that there is a pressure on men to provide and therefor commit suicide because they can't is totally false. In the west most women work themselves and have carriers and if you can't work they have benefits. All a man needs to do is take care of himself and put his own needs first. If women, people and society expect of a man any more than that then such people are low value anyway. They don't dictate your reality if you don't let it bother you. If it was so easy getting rich like you expect from a man then why don't all women get rich ? Only time a woman got rich is when she divorced her billionaire husband, made tasteless music or shot porno like Kardashian.

This is why I said men should play the game different and stop putting all this guilt that is not in their control on them. First they should stop dating broke women or women that have no money, no jobs and are in debt. It's not a mans problem nor his duty to fix it. And be able to walk away insetad of reacting to peoples demands in panic. Play the same game. Same thing for friends. Stop hanging around people that bring you down or are doing nothing with their life. Be able to even cut out family members if they don't act right.


There are far more reasons why people committ suicide that have nothing to do with financial problems. Some people have mental problems that most people do not even understand, it is easy to make fun of it when one does not understand it, some have low self esteem or have been bullied or abused since children. Some people have made mistakes in life and the self blame is eating them away. All this social media doesn't help people much either where people are obsessed with material possesion and looking good or being fit. Some get through it others don't. It's about accepting yourself and who you are and change what you can and let go of what you can't. There is far more to life than just this materialism and pressure from society. And this is what meditation teaches you. It teaches to accept your own moment then and there and seeing that everything is OK the way it is.

[-Scar-]

My whole point is that your idea of that there is a pressure on men to provide and therefor commit suicide because they can't is totally false. In the west most women work themselves and have carriers and if you can't work they have benefits. All a man needs to do is take care of himself and put his own needs first. If women, people and society expect of a man any more than that then such people are low value anyway. They don't dictate your reality if you don't let it bother you. If it was so easy getting rich like you expect from a man then why don't all women get rich ? Only time a woman got rich is when she divorced her billionaire husband, made tasteless music or shot porno like Kardashian.

This is why I said men should play the game different and stop putting all this guilt that is not in their control on them. First they should stop dating broke women or women that have no money, no jobs and are in debt. It's not a mans problem nor his duty to fix it. And be able to walk away insetad of reacting to peoples demands in panic. Play the same game. Same thing for friends. Stop hanging around people that bring you down or are doing nothing with their life. Be able to even cut out family members if they don't act right.


There are far more reasons why people committ suicide that have nothing to do with financial problems. Some people have mental problems that most people do not even understand, it is easy to make fun of it when one does not understand it, some have low self esteem or have been bullied or abused since children. Some people have made mistakes in life and the self blame is eating them away. All this social media doesn't help people much either where people are obsessed with material possesion and looking good or being fit. Some get through it others don't. It's about accepting yourself and who you are and change what you can and let go of what you can't. There is far more to life than just this materialism and pressure from society. And this is what meditation teaches you. It teaches to accept your own moment then and there and seeing that everything is OK the way it is.

True. Many hypocrite women try to shove extreme gender roles down to our throat for their own benefits and are liberal only when it comes to their own interests.

Not all women are like this. Many of them are kind and not egotistical.

[Incal]

Without "Toxic Masculinity" we wouldn't exist today.

[Asten]

Toxic Masculinity exist. Usually a men will dominate the other by his strength unlike women who will be more sneaky with psychology tactic,so toxicity exist on women as well.