Is Toxic Masculinity a real thing?

[Roy]

I think it is BS in principle at least how it gets pushed down into our throats.

[RogueState]

One of the many postmodern bullshit "concept" that aims to destroy the Western civilization

[LittleDarkAge]

Marxist bullshit propaganda.

[gixajo]

One of the many postmodern bullshit "concept" that aims to destroy the Western civilization

The concept itself is not going to destroy anything, but rather how it is used.

Today words have so much mismatching in meaning that anything can fit inside.

It is a form of political use of language, I do not know if this has been used as much as it is today.

[Ranger0075]

It depends your looks

sexist handsome man: alpha, virile, chad
sexist ugly man: toxic, weirdo, incel

[Alexandro]

Hmm, well. I think when someone takes a complex matter like cultural and social norms and reduces it to a label like "toxic masculinity," the person is attempting to make a quick shorthand out of something that requires deep insight and balanced examination. This inevitably leads to fucking morons who just inevitably treat the label as some sort of catch-all they can toss at anything to deflect an argument, because legitimately questioning their positions on things is quite foreign to those sorts of people.

This term, "toxic masculinity", is essentially worthless at this point due to how frequently and acutely it has been misused by some and it will end this way for all reductive, sensational labels like this. Like, when someone utters this word, ask them what behaviors they are specifically referring to, chances are they will just end up clearly parroting someone else's bullshit or, and don't hold your breath for this, they are actually making an argument against something that can and should be discussed with some modicum of seriousness, but you would be quite lucky in that case.

In my opinion, as with many other things, there is a kernel of truth in this "toxic masculinity" term, but it has been wrapped in so much bullshit that it is beyond useless for any serious discussion.

[Seya]

I thought this term "toxic masculinity" refers to the pressure men feel to act in a certain way in which society expects them to act, even tho they don't feel like it. And this constant pressure can affect some people in a negative way.

[Latinus]

In certain ways, yes.

And dislike the idea that males should do and act that a certain, if not, you're a loser/affeminate.

But I also dislike the submissive male behavior.

None of the extremes are cool.

[Red Pill]

I thought this term "toxic masculinity" refers to the pressure men feel to act in a certain way in which society expects them to act, even tho they don't feel like it. And this constant pressure can affect some people in a negative way.

Yeah, but this kind of social pressure affects all of us, and has always done it, at different levels and in many different areas. "Masculinity" is just one of them. One could as well talk about "Toxic Femininity", just go to a club and look at all those girls who try and look like bitchy princesses to draw attention and out-compete other females, conforming to the rules and models and pressures that the society has set on them. In other cultures rules and models would be different, but the society still pressures people, and has always done it. It's an universal phenomenon, I think based upon the fact that we are social beings and probably instinctively geared towards competition and hierarchy, while we need rules to live together. The problem with the "Toxic Masculinity" theory, like with all the other "woke" theories, is that it puts all the blame on certain categories of people, in this case males, and social institutions, in this case the "Patriarchate". It is an extreme, self-serving theory that is ultimately based on several unproved assumptions. But of course that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't some valid points in the theory.

[Linebacker]

Not where I am from.

I think in the Balkans it is the norm more or less. Here you will be respected if you are brash, and if you are too much a good person people will walk over you.