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    Quote Originally Posted by Yesno View Post
    I'm calling bullshit on that comment.

    Regarding the second comment, the governments of your region could have simply closed those borders showing those economic migrants there was no illegal entry allowed. Lay the blame where it is due. Germany and Sweden's open border policy. The EU also allowing NGO's to ferry migrants from both North African and Turkey.
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    It shows that many of you Americans are completely insular if you can't even remember the wars you started in Libya and Iraq and the mess you created in Syria and Ukraine and all around the Middle East (Arab Spring) or if you forget the little UN treaty regarding refugees that the U.S made us sign back in 1951.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    That is the mentality of the weak minded. In fact that is what I expect white people on there knees saying God is black would say . If you were in a ultra Darwinian environment like prison you would be doing someone's laundry and bed partner with that attitude. That isn't even meant to be an insult but sheesh, have a back bone and some pride.
    Tough talk there not that I haven't seen it all before.

    I'm sure the sabre-tooth cats thought they were kings of the world as did dinosaurs. No one is saying change everything but certainly at the federal level, you need to have a system that can't be maniplated from within. And as it seems from the outside, it is. And your solutions will send you the way of those oversized predators. No skin off my teeth.
    Nine out of ten concerns are completely unfounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    It shows that many of you Americans are completely insular if you can't even remember the wars you started in Libya and Iraq and the mess you created in Syria and Ukraine and all around the Middle East (Arab Spring) or if you forget the little UN treaty regarding refugees that the U.S made us sign back in 1951.
    I'm not American hence the "seen from the outside".

    Fortunately we have a nation between us and migrants who just round them up and places them in camps until they choose to go home. If they can't land, they can't claim anything and you've seen it applied by some southern European nations when they've had the "right" government.

    It is interesting how quickly you are willing to reference UN agreements which really don't apply in this instance when it suits your reply.

    Anyhow, GL to Europe and the USA. It looks like life will be tough for a while until you can harden up a bit. In the meanwhile, no lock downs, no covid, no corruption in elections and a great summer here. We are all working and have a trade surplus as we have had for nigh on two decades.
    Nine out of ten concerns are completely unfounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yesno View Post
    I'm not American hence the "seen from the outside".

    Fortunately we have a nation between us and migrants who just round them up and places them in camps until they choose to go home. If they can't land, they can't claim anything and you've seen it applied by some southern European nations when they've had the "right" government.

    It is interesting how quickly you are willing to reference UN agreements which really don't apply in this instance when it suits your reply.

    Anyhow, GL to Europe and the USA. It looks like life will be tough for a while until you can harden up a bit. In the meanwhile, no lock downs, no covid, no corruption in elections and a great summer here. We are all working and have a trade surplus as we have had for nigh on two decades.
    Then don't talk about things you don't know anything about if you have been living under a rock for the last 25 years. Do look up the UN Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees which the Americans made us sign while they themselves didn't.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yesno View Post
    Tough talk there not that I haven't seen it all before.

    I'm sure the sabre-tooth cats thought they were kings of the world as did dinosaurs. No one is saying change everything but certainly at the federal level, you need to have a system that can't be maniplated from within. And as it seems from the outside, it is. And your solutions will send you the way of those oversized predators. No skin off my teeth.
    Sabre Tooths and Dinosaurs were the kings of their world, they were top tier predators. They evolved to fit their environment like you suggested and because they were so greedy they became over specialized and died out or devolved. How is a system where you can make a bureaucratic edict to get around the law manipulation proof? If that were the case then we wouldn't be in our situation today. The separation of power and the enforcement of law is what keeps things just and sturdy. You are trying to paint me as anti-centralized or federal but I believe in central leadership and at it's core federalism can be a good thing. I am anti-bureaucracy and anti-partisan/sectarian. I believe in what America was founded to be, I don't expect things to be perfect or all to my liking.

    Your comment was that people need to just accept things, you can be a voice of dissent and stand up for what's right without being a criminal, fringe or any other negative form of being. I personally live in a conservative state so nothing really effects me as it is, except maybe immigration legalization which could drive down the wages and drive up the housing market. I just think your attitude is mainly because you are a Kiwi and don't have experience in large society, your country is like a pebble in the pond of the states. Also easy to have your view when your country was made from people just accepting things as they are. America is a whole different planet in every other way except basic culture and language.

    Also that being said, I support the National Guard I just think abusing them is pretty shameful from both the people using them as a political tool and the people who blame the grunts for doing their job. This isn't my opinion, this is how things work and how the law works. Federalizing the Guard like that makes them officially military and subjects them to legal repercussion, there is a whole bigger picture to my views than someone who doesn't live here or understand the law etc. can absorb.

    I can back up my academic and moral positions, you just make half baked analogies and assumptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Then don't talk about things you don't know anything about if you have been living under a rock for the last 25 years. Do look up the UN Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees which the Americans made us sign while they themselves didn't.
    Yea unfortunately we are hypocrites.
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    No, my comment was, make changes so your electoral system can't be manipulated. Commonsense, really. Hard to believe you can't see it for yourself. Trump myopia?
    Nine out of ten concerns are completely unfounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yesno View Post
    No, my comment was, make changes so your electoral system can't be manipulated. Commonsense, really. Hard to believe you can't see it for yourself. Trump myopia?
    There isn't a problem with our electoral system, there is a problem with people not respecting the law, this isn't about policy or even system, it's about people and sectarianism abusing the system that works fine when people follow the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Then don't talk about things you don't know anything about if you have been living under a rock for the last 25 years. Do look up the UN Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees which the Americans made us sign while they themselves didn't.
    In my first post i said it was my opinion and i don't profess to be an internet expert like you guys.
    Nine out of ten concerns are completely unfounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yesno View Post
    In my first post i said it was my opinion and i don't profess to be an internet expert like you guys.
    We're not experts. We just bother to read books and newspapers. Maybe you should too.



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