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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Sorry buddy, you are plain wrong. Navalny is the guy who doesn't care about Russians, he's not even patriotic! His friends are liberal traitor European leaders like Merkel. Don't believe him. Don't trust a word he says and don't believe his lies about Putin. Putin has done more for Russia and Russians than any other leader in history! Stop smearing him on my forum please.

    Do you really think that European Liberal traitor leaders would have supported Navalny if he was so patriotic and extreme right as you claim? No way! He works for the CIA.
    Putin is much fucking worse. Putin literally gives federal aid to the Caucasus, while ethnic Russians are starving. He allows millions of East and West Asians flood the country, while Russians are starving.

    You think Putin is any better? He puts the "based" mask just to protect himself. Because all these millions he has left un Russia and the aid that gives to the Caucasus peoples, the people who literally hate Russians and who are millions of times worse in corruption.

    The only thing liberal about Navalny is that he tolerates at the least the fags. But all his other positions? That is, complete cutdown of all immigration, benefits to ethnic Russians to have large families and completely cutting down the line of trillions of rubles given to Chechnya and the rest of the Caucasus is more than good.

    As I said, he's still a nationalist. He supported an ultranationalist, Sergei Furgal, in Khabarovsk Krai. And he almost exclusively supports nationalist politicians with his "Smart Voting" system. If he supports other nationalists to be elected, and he himself wants to cut down immigration and give priority to ethnic Russians, he's a nationalist basically.

    And that's great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor.Msk View Post
    Navalny is a product of the system, he changed his "political views" some ten times due to populism, from vulgar nationalist to almost leftist. Indeed he's involved in crimes he commited during the period when he used to be a good puppet of Russian state, so nobody even tried to charge or arrest him. Now he's the ball being bounced between "two towers of Moscow Kremlin", two groups of Russian elites who are in intensive struggle of the last five years. Putin is just the representor of a part of elites, i'm sure he will be moved away sooner or later while this Navalny will never ever become anything, not even the minister, as he had another role in this show from the very beginning. Now he's just used by the internal groups of inluence as a sort of marker, to show some tendencies.
    The only thing ever to be considered liberal in Navalny is his tolerance to fags. All his other positions place him in the classic nationalism wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno View Post
    The only thing ever to be considered liberal in Navalny is his tolerance to fags. All his other positions place him in the classic nationalism wing.
    He's not a nationalist, if he was one he would have supported Putin against Russia's enemies. But he hates Putin so much, he would even be okay if Russia is damaged, as long as it harms Putin and helps his personal political career. That's the worst kind of politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno View Post
    The only thing ever to be considered liberal in Navalny is his tolerance to fags. All his other positions place him in the classic nationalism wing.
    He's not a nationalist, if he was one he would have supported Putin against Russia's enemies. But he hates Putin so much, he would even be okay if Russia is damaged, as long as it harms Putin and helps his personal political career. That's the worst kind of politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno View Post
    The only thing ever to be considered liberal in Navalny is his tolerance to fags. All his other positions place him in the classic nationalism wing.
    He's not a nationalist, if he was one he would have supported Putin against Russia's enemies. But he hates Putin so much, he would even be okay if Russia is damaged, as long as it harms Putin and helps his personal political career. That's the worst kind of politician.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno View Post
    Putin is much fucking worse. Putin literally gives federal aid to the Caucasus, while ethnic Russians are starving. He allows millions of East and West Asians flood the country, while Russians are starving.

    You think Putin is any better? He puts the "based" mask just to protect himself. Because all these millions he has left un Russia and the aid that gives to the Caucasus peoples, the people who literally hate Russians and who are millions of times worse in corruption.

    The only thing liberal about Navalny is that he tolerates at the least the fags. But all his other positions? That is, complete cutdown of all immigration, benefits to ethnic Russians to have large families and completely cutting down the line of trillions of rubles given to Chechnya and the rest of the Caucasus is more than good.

    As I said, he's still a nationalist. He supported an ultranationalist, Sergei Furgal, in Khabarovsk Krai. And he almost exclusively supports nationalist politicians with his "Smart Voting" system. If he supports other nationalists to be elected, and he himself wants to cut down immigration and give priority to ethnic Russians, he's a nationalist basically.

    And that's great.
    It's hard for me to debate you as far as your information is damn far from reality and your knowledge of the current Russia's situation is close to abstract.

    Navalny is an economical left-wing populist who seeks for the larger taxes, higher minimum wage, abnormal welfare and federal aid, he doesn't know how to make people richer, but he's a populist talking head, so it's ok. He's rapidly moving to left-liberal in other questions aswell. Navalny and his allies openly called on voting communists just to vote against Putin's party. Navalny's boys and his sympathizers are often allied with KPRF communist party in various political and non-political actions, especially when it comes to opposing building some local Churches. The only time he showed himself a sort of "patriot" was the Crimea deal, when he didn't accept the idea that "Crimea should be returned" as land cannot be moved either ways like a piece of bread. A part of his own sympathizers and Ukrainian nationalists cursed him badly back then, it was hilarious. Navalny is awful at any debates, he lacks basic knowledges in most of questions, his only strong side is yelling to the microphone for 2-4 minutes to his precious sectarians. His corruption investigations on youtube are the only thing he did well and 80% of them were silently allowed by state while 20% left were allowed by his private patrons from the Russian elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno View Post
    Putin is much fucking worse. Putin literally gives federal aid to the Caucasus, while ethnic Russians are starving. He allows millions of East and West Asians flood the country, while Russians are starving.

    You think Putin is any better? He puts the "based" mask just to protect himself. Because all these millions he has left un Russia and the aid that gives to the Caucasus peoples, the people who literally hate Russians and who are millions of times worse in corruption.

    The only thing liberal about Navalny is that he tolerates at the least the fags. But all his other positions? That is, complete cutdown of all immigration, benefits to ethnic Russians to have large families and completely cutting down the line of trillions of rubles given to Chechnya and the rest of the Caucasus is more than good.

    As I said, he's still a nationalist. He supported an ultranationalist, Sergei Furgal, in Khabarovsk Krai. And he almost exclusively supports nationalist politicians with his "Smart Voting" system. If he supports other nationalists to be elected, and he himself wants to cut down immigration and give priority to ethnic Russians, he's a nationalist basically.

    And that's great.
    Furgal is just a regional duke and criminal who created own principality with his own laws. He's a member of LDPR party, like any other political force in Russia they're a puppet of the state. Furgal's interests collided with the state so his crimes were raised from the bottom.

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    He is a fool to go back to Russia. The Mongolian midget is not going to fail twice.

    Sucks to be in that position, to have to choose between looking like a coward and run or to possibly get yourself killed.

    He chose wrong to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linebacker View Post
    He is a fool to go back to Russia. The Mongolian midget is not going to fail twice.

    Sucks to be in that position, to have to choose between looking like a coward and run or to possibly get yourself killed.

    He chose wrong to me.
    He's fool to chose the path of the political puppet in Russia from the very beginning. A poor personality, low charisma, tendency to lies, low intellectual abilities and basic knowledges cannot make a good politician of him, just a puppet, populist and failure. His fate is in the hands of patrons, it depends on war of the internal elite groups at the moment.

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