Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Altaylı]

They migrated either west or east (to Iran/Azerbaijan). A lot of Qizilbash originate from Eastern Anatolia.

Yeah many anatolian Turkmens migrated Iran(especially Afshars) when Afsharid dynasty founded in Iran.
After Afsharid dynasty collapsed some of them back to anatolia some of them stayed Iran.

[Kyp]

Yeah many anatolian Turkmens migrated Iran(especially Afshars) when Afsharid dynasty founded in Iran.
After Afsharid dynasty collapsed some of them back to anatolia some of them stayed Iran.

Yep most of them (Anatolian and Iranian ones) orignate from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beylik_of_Dulkadir

But obiously it's better to just study the history of the Aq Qoyunlu as we speak of mostly nomadic groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitab-i_Diyarbakriyya

[Leto]

We already have enough Iranian averages. Gilaki is similar to Mazandarani. If one can be added it's the Isfahan one as there is no central Iranian average. There are also enough Kurdish averages. I don't think Alevis should have an own one either. I think the existing Zaza and Kurmanji kurdish averages already are based on Anatolian Kurds and they dont differ really from these ones.

Gilaki is interesting, I think. Can be added.

[Kyp]

Gilaki is interesting, I think. Can be added.

Its similar to Mazandarani and I doubt it's based on many results.

[Halgurd]

The average Kurd may not be 1/8 non-Kurd but an Alevi might be on average, that is my point

The average Kurdish Alevi is on average 8/8 Kurd. Mixing with non Kurdish Alevis or non Alevis in general is a very recent phenomenon. Alevis tend to be strict on these things.

Turkish Alevis are similar. Tahtaci Alevis for example don't mix with non Tahtaci Alevis, let alone non Alevis.

[Fedora]

The average Kurdish Alevi is on average 8/8 Kurd. Mixing with non Kurdish Alevis or non Alevis in general is a very recent phenomenon. Alevis tend to be strict on these things.

Turkish Alevis are similar. Tahtaci Alevis for example don't mix with non Tahtaci Alevis, let alone non Alevis.

Seen both Turkish and Kurdish Alevi results with "Armenian/Pontic" shift in regions of Elazig, Malatya etc.

[Leto]

The first one is a Gurian Georgian (prolly not new), the rest are Georgians tested by a Czech guy who lives in Tbilisi. He has also tested a couple of Russians from Georgia as well as his own family.

Gedrosia 18.93 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.02 Pct
North_European 8.2 Pct
South_Asian 0.15 Pct
East_African 0.11 Pct
Southwest_Asian 8.08 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 59.51 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 20.06 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.79 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.62 Pct
North_European 11.49 Pct
South_Asian 0.12 Pct
East_African 0.67 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.8 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.3 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.15 Pct

Gedrosia 19.42 Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.63 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.26 Pct
North_European 9.24 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.05 Pct
East_Asian 0.7 Pct
Caucasus 56.4 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.29 Pct

Gedrosia 18.31 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.73 Pct
North_European 19.66 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Caucasus 44.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 17.99 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.7 Pct
North_European 11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.59 Pct
East_Asian 1.61 Pct
Caucasus 59.94 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 20.06 Pct
Siberian 1.36 Pct
Northwest_African 1.24 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.16 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.23 Pct
North_European 10.75 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.63 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 49.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Mejgusu]

The average Kurd may not be 1/8 non-Kurd but an Alevi might be on average, that is my point

Alevi Kurds are either Turkish influenced(3-5% east eurasian) or they have low steppe. Considering the geographic and historical conditions which you find in Kurdish-Alevi regions it isn’t surprising that many of them can be 30-50% Anatolian Turkish or 50% Armenian. Alevism emerged among Turkish sectarian groups, strictly speaking Non-Turkish Alevis shouldn’t exist(it is an ethnoreligous group) but it seems that during the centuries some groups swayed their religion to Non-Turkish groups. On the other hand it is well known that many Armenians were assimilated into Alevi-Kurdish groups, so some could have less NE-Euro because of Armenian influence.

[Sterling Archer]

Gedrosia 17.99 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.7 Pct
North_European 11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.59 Pct
East_Asian 1.61 Pct
Caucasus 59.94 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Almost no Atlantic_Med. Maybe also Gurian:

Distance to: Geo
2.81996454 Georgian_Gurian
3.30071204 Georgian_Mingrelian
3.83928379 Georgian_Svan
4.53361886 Georgian
4.56010965 Georgian_Imereti
5.54439356 Abkhazian
9.14350042 Georgian_Adjara
9.57146279 Turk_Ahiska
10.12979763 Laz
10.91111818 Ossetian_South
10.92796870 Hemshin
12.76396098 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.59876707 Ossetian
14.67128488 Greek_Pontus

Gedrosia 18.31 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.73 Pct
North_European 19.66 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Caucasus 44.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

This one seems to be quarter North European. I'm surprised it is NW European and not Russian:

Distance to: Georgian
1.84326814 78.80% Abkhazian + 21.20% Irish
1.87288949 78.60% Abkhazian + 21.40% Scottish
1.88697876 79.00% Abkhazian + 21.00% Icelandic
2.03975462 78.40% Abkhazian + 21.60% English_North
2.08367064 78.20% Abkhazian + 21.80% German_Northwest
2.08739252 78.00% Abkhazian + 22.00% English_South
2.10972097 78.20% Abkhazian + 21.80% English_mixed
2.14773798 79.20% Abkhazian + 20.80% Danish
2.16671748 78.00% Abkhazian + 22.00% French_Northwest
2.26307139 76.40% Georgian + 23.60% Swedish
2.28037708 77.60% Abkhazian + 22.40% Dutch
2.32779395 79.20% Abkhazian + 20.80% Swedish
2.48851917 77.80% Abkhazian + 22.20% German
2.52190401 23.60% Danish + 76.40% Georgian
2.55158363 76.20% Georgian + 23.80% Icelandic
2.60002119 74.80% Georgian + 25.20% German
2.63736019 75.00% Georgian_Svan + 25.00% Irish
2.64183766 74.60% Georgian_Svan + 25.40% Scottish
2.71282602 75.00% Georgian_Svan + 25.00% Icelandic
2.75854718 75.40% Georgian + 24.60% German_Northwest
2.78036242 25.40% English_North + 74.60% Georgian_Svan
2.78671132 26.00% English_South + 74.00% Georgian_Svan
2.80195745 76.80% Abkhazian + 23.20% French_North
2.82656862 25.80% English_mixed + 74.20% Georgian_Svan
2.85604980 26.00% French_Northwest + 74.00% Georgian_Svan

[Leto]

Yes, looks so. But that is not to say all Georgians have low North European. We don't know much about Eastern Georgia. The Avars live right next to the Eastern fringe of Georgia.