Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**Kyp** · 03-01-2021, 08:50 AM

Another Iranian (probably Khorasan too):
https://i.imgur.com/oS0yZzQ.jpg

Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 3.28
Northwest_African: 1.20
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.76
North_European: 10.86
South_Asian: 6.72
East_African: 1.28
Southwest_Asian: 10.61
East_Asian: 2.20
Caucasian: 33.41
Sub_Saharan: 0.28

Distance to: Haleh
4.60635431 Iran_Khorasan
6.71583949 Iran_Central
6.92542417 Iran_C_East
7.21686220 Iranian_Fars
8.47236685 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.67498127 Azerbaijani
9.51131432 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.57695150 Yazidi
9.69861846 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.95180386 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.98264995 Kurd_Sorani
10.03548205 Azerbaijani_North
10.16606610 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.45902003 Iraq_Turkmen
10.48535646 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.48939464 Turkmen_TM
10.53000950 Iranian
10.55429770 Kurd_Adygea
11.11207451 Lur_Iran
11.21842235 Turk_Southeast
11.64927466 Zaza
13.03993098 Turk_South
13.21163502 Iran_Mazandaran
13.72869258 Parsi_India
14.14250685 Turk_Central_East

Target: Haleh
Distance: 2.5935% / 2.59350038 | ADC: 0.5x RC
75.1 Iran_Khorasan
16.8 Turk_South
8.1 Kumyk

Another one:

Gedrosian: 25.97
Siberian: 3.12
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.12
Atlantic_Med: 7.27
North_European: 8.58
South_Asian: 5.89
East_African: 0.89
Southwest_Asian: 13.19
East_Asian: 3.19
Caucasian: 31.63
Sub_Saharan: 0.15

Distance to: Taghavi
4.55934206 Iran_Khorasan
5.67735854 Iranian_Fars
5.83271806 Iran_C_East
6.39324644 Iran_Central
8.86986471 Yazidi
9.20116840 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.25439355 Kurd_Sorani
9.43753146 Azerbaijani
9.73114587 Iraq_Turkmen
9.84883242 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.99890494 Lur_Iran
10.09834145 Azerbaijani_Northwest
10.37520120 Iranian
10.49884279 Kurd_Adygea
11.02461337 Turkmen_TM
11.24380718 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.26231770 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.48824182 Turk_Southeast
11.91066329 Zaza
12.21239534 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.27874586 Azerbaijani_North
12.81110066 Parsi_India
13.27218897 Iran_Mazandaran
13.86821185 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.03147533 Tajik_Herat

Target: Taghavi
Distance: 1.6710% / 1.67099385 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.1 Iran_Khorasan
14.1 Iranian_Fars
14.1 Iraqi_Arab
8.9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.8 Turk_Southeast

**Kyp** · 03-01-2021, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Another one:

Gedrosian: 25.97
Siberian: 3.12
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.12
Atlantic_Med: 7.27
North_European: 8.58
South_Asian: 5.89
East_African: 0.89
Southwest_Asian: 13.19
East_Asian: 3.19
Caucasian: 31.63
Sub_Saharan: 0.15

Distance to: Taghavi
4.55934206 Iran_Khorasan
5.67735854 Iranian_Fars
5.83271806 Iran_C_East
6.39324644 Iran_Central
8.86986471 Yazidi
9.20116840 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.25439355 Kurd_Sorani
9.43753146 Azerbaijani
9.73114587 Iraq_Turkmen
9.84883242 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.99890494 Lur_Iran
10.09834145 Azerbaijani_Northwest
10.37520120 Iranian
10.49884279 Kurd_Adygea
11.02461337 Turkmen_TM
11.24380718 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.26231770 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.48824182 Turk_Southeast
11.91066329 Zaza
12.21239534 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.27874586 Azerbaijani_North
12.81110066 Parsi_India
13.27218897 Iran_Mazandaran
13.86821185 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.03147533 Tajik_Herat

Target: Taghavi
Distance: 1.6710% / 1.67099385 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.1 Iran_Khorasan
14.1 Iranian_Fars
14.1 Iraqi_Arab
8.9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.8 Turk_Southeast

His wife (also from Iran, could be partly Hazara):

Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 7.35
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.15
Atlantic_Med: 6.18
North_European: 6.70
South_Asian: 7.91
East_African: 0.72
Southwest_Asian: 7.90
East_Asian: 12.15
Caucasian: 25.02
Sub_Saharan: 0.79

Distance to: Mahnaz
7.58955862 Turkmen_TM
8.05659978 Turkmen_Iran
11.63734076 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.73463780 Tajik_Herat
14.03572228 Iran_Khorasan
14.26157425 Tajik_Mountain
16.34640022 Tajik_Lowland
17.18587501 Iran_C_East
17.54550655 Azerbaijani_Northwest
17.59687472 Uzbek
17.63470726 Iranian_Fars
17.83942824 Parsi_India
18.60080375 Iran_Central
18.67986884 Azerbaijani
18.97238783 Tajik_Kabul
19.01884855 Azerbaijani_Iran
19.45030591 Turk_South
19.62239537 Iran_Bandari
19.71737051 Turk_Southwest
19.73823954 Uzbeki
19.88006539 Turk_Southeast
19.90368056 Azerbaijani_Turkey
20.22294983 Turkmen_Afghanistan
20.44508988 Yagnobi
20.47693092 Turk_Northwest

Target: Mahnaz
Distance: 1.4534% / 1.45337639 | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.3 Hazara
25.9 Lur_Iran
22.8 Parsi_India
15.1 Turkmen_TM
3.3 Sardinian
1.6 Japanese

**Leto** · 03-01-2021, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Kyp

His wife (also from Iran, could be partly Hazara):

Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 7.35
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.15
Atlantic_Med: 6.18
North_European: 6.70
South_Asian: 7.91
East_African: 0.72
Southwest_Asian: 7.90
East_Asian: 12.15
Caucasian: 25.02
Sub_Saharan: 0.79

Quite a lot of East Eurasian, 20%. Definitely not Persian.

**Mejgusu** · 03-01-2021, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

TBH I don't think Botai can really be attributed to any modern linguistic group, considering it is also predating Yamnaya

Yeah i know. There is actually a discussion about their identity, without any linguistic evidence i only would say they were more Ugric-like regarding genetics. Maybe they were even something else which didn’t left any linguistical leftover.

**Zanzibar** · 03-01-2021, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Gecko

Yeah i know. There is actually a discussion about their identity, without any linguistic evidence i only would say they were more Ugric-like regarding genetics. Maybe they were even something else which didn’t left any linguistical leftover.

I heard that they belong to a group called West Siberian Hunter Gatherers/WSHG which is a mix of ANE+EHG+East Asian. Here are the closest modern pops to them.

Distance to: KAZ_Botai
0.18326932 Tlingit
0.18566524 Udmurt
0.19128163 Saami
0.19873387 Besermyan
0.20088058 Mansi
0.20293442 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.20456979 Khanty
0.20768231 Bashkir
0.21352932 Ket
0.21400819 Mari
0.21770470 Tatar_Siberian
0.21835241 Saami_Kola
0.21908207 Chuvash
0.22400652 Komi
0.22582419 Greenlander_West
0.23080867 Tatar_Kazan
0.24263002 Tatar_Lipka
0.24499823 Shor_Mountain
0.24506144 Yukagir_Forest
0.24523981 Tubalar
0.24662247 Shor_Khakassia
0.24760396 Uzbek
0.24837333 Tajik_Shugnan
0.24935293 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.25007105 Tatar_Mishar

**Kyp** · 03-01-2021, 04:13 PM

Iranian from Alborz & Teheran:

Gedrosian: 21.72
Siberian: 1.03
Northwest_African: 0.27
Southeast_Asian: 0.85
Atlantic_Med: 7.77
North_European: 10.02
South_Asian: 3.24
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.50
East_Asian: 2.47
Caucasian: 39.52
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Alborz
2.35972456 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
2.83256068 Azerbaijani_Iran
2.94222705 Azerbaijani
3.73902394 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.50467535 Azerbaijani_North
4.79199332 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.13554281 Zaza
5.48133195 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.72016608 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.95273047 Kurd_Adygea
6.00033332 Turk_Southeast
6.34747981 Kurd_Sorani
6.36789604 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.41739823 Yazidi
6.62206161 Iraq_Turkmen
7.56713288 Iran_Central
7.72592389 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.45266230 Turk_Central_East
8.53970725 Turk_East
8.77011402 Iranian
9.14376290 Lur_Iran
9.34708511 Turk_South
9.45466551 Iranian_Fars
10.25505729 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.48954718 Turk_Central_West

Target: Alborz
Distance: 1.5640% / 1.56395258 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.1 Azerbaijani
25.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
21.5 Kurd_Sorani
6.4 Zaza

His relative:

Gedrosian: 23.84
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.11
Atlantic_Med: 6.56
North_European: 10.64
South_Asian: 4.59
East_African: 0.56
Southwest_Asian: 13.33
East_Asian: 2.56
Caucasian: 37.62
Sub_Saharan: 0.15

Distance to: Alborz2
5.27231448 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.30005660 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
5.39140056 Iran_Central
5.59440792 Azerbaijani
5.77691094 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.88805571 Kurd_Sorani
6.15877423 Yazidi
6.29986508 Kurd_Adygea
6.40983619 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.57952886 Azerbaijani_North
6.85887017 Zaza
7.02906822 Iranian_Fars
7.08450422 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.13030154 Iraq_Turkmen
7.38696149 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.77436171 Azerbaijani_Northwest
8.07514706 Iranian
8.35545929 Lur_Iran
8.44763872 Iran_Khorasan
8.56439724 Turk_Southeast
8.85382403 Iran_C_East
10.54996682 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.70751041 Turk_Central_East
11.91434849 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.95181995 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Alborz2
Distance: 2.1370% / 2.13702257 | ADC: 0.25x
35.8 Azerbaijani_North
33.5 Kurd_Sorani
17.0 Iran_Khorasan
12.0 Iran_Central
0.9 Latvian
0.4 Kuwait2
0.3 Pulliyar
0.1 Japanese

**Leto** · 03-01-2021, 04:27 PM

That's some elevated European right there.

**Sterling Archer** · 03-01-2021, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Georgian
Caucasus 59.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.13 Pct

I missed this earlier, but has this ever been observed? Full 1.1% sub Saharan Africa. Surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

On an unrelated note, I find it funny that Georgia, a nation of little over 3 mln. of which 500K are not Georgians, has more averages than Iran ))
And some of these averages are virtually identical, like Georgian and Gurian, and differences can be due to sampling.

**Sterling Archer** · 03-01-2021, 04:39 PM

Do these people identify as Azerbaijani? The results seem to suggest that they are full on Azeri, what with high NE and EA.

**Leto** · 03-01-2021, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

I missed this earlier, but has this ever been observed? Full 1.1% sub Saharan Africa. Surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

Nothing spectacular to point out. That's just noise, not real black ancestry.

On an unrelated note, I find it funny that Georgia, a nation of little over 3 mln. of which 500K are not Georgians, has more averages than Iran ))
And some of these averages are virtually identical, like Georgian and Gurian, and differences can be due to sampling.

Only 2-3 of them have a more or less decent sample size. Gurian and Adjarian are based merely on 2-3 samples. I tried to have them removed but Lukasz refused to do it. I don't know why the guy even cares about it, in fact he should be very thankful to me for updating the spreadsheet to begin with. At one point he wanted to give me access to the code, so that I could edit it myself but later on he did an about-face and basically pretended he'd never said that. Go figure.