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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    There are no other Tat results that I'm aware of.


    West-Azerbaijan province:
    Gedrosian: 24.41
    Siberian: 0.33
    Northwest_African: 1.64
    Southeast_Asian: 0.88
    Atlantic_Med: 8.70
    North_European: 10.78
    South_Asian: 1.13
    East_African: 1.46
    Southwest_Asian: 13.63
    East_Asian: 0.27
    Caucasian: 36.77
    Sub_Saharan: 0.00
    Proximity to Azeris seems to be a conduit for higher Med and NE components, probably indicating mixed background. Very curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterling Archer View Post
    Proximity to Azeris seems to be a conduit for higher Med and NE components, probably indicating mixed background. Very curious.
    Yes although a lot of Kurds in Iran lived nomadically so region won't always be decisive for genetics, Same goes for some tribal Azeri groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Do you have any Lezgin Dodecad results or Gedmatch kits? We need to update the average.
    No unfortunately. I'll post them here as soon as I find any.

    For what it is worth, here is the result of Azerbaijani with recent Lezgin ancestry. Note the high Gedrosia:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aren View Post

    Also I've searched and searched but have not yet found a single Kurd from Arbil.
    Kurd from Arbil/Erbil:

    Gedrosian: 24.51
    Siberian: 1.55
    Northwest_African: 0.55
    Southeast_Asian: 1.10
    Atlantic_Med: 8.70
    North_European: 7.02
    South_Asian: 1.87
    East_African: 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 14.22
    East_Asian: 0.00
    Caucasian: 40.39
    Sub_Saharan: 0.10


    Distance to: Kurd_Erbil
    1.64687583 Kurd_Kurmanji
    2.22418524 Zaza
    2.37987395 Kurd_Adygea
    3.11855736 Yazidi
    3.98684085 Kurd_Sorani
    4.16661733 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    4.94726187 Azerbaijani_Iran
    5.28264138 Iraq_Turkmen
    5.66612743 Lur_Iran
    6.04093536 Iranian
    6.43668393 Azerbaijani
    6.57007610 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    6.78446018 Iran_Central
    7.36452986 Udi_Azerbaijan
    8.35212548 Turk_Southeast
    8.52489883 Iranian_Fars
    9.00101105 Turk_East
    10.12345791 Iraqi_Baghdad
    10.92318177 Mandean
    11.10561570 Turk_Central_East
    11.11729284 Azeri_Jew
    11.39444163 Iran_C_East
    11.51163325 Iranian_Jew
    11.55340210 Iran_Mazandaran
    11.77008921 Assyrian_North

    Target: Kurd_Erbil
    Distance: 1.2903% / 1.29025836 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    53.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
    35.2 Zaza
    6.8 Iranian
    2.7 Mandean
    1.4 Kurd_Adygea
    0.7 Cambodians

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    Another Karachay result from my matchlist

    Y-DNA: J2a1
    mtDNA: D4 (East Asian)


    Population
    Gedrosia 18.95 Pct
    Siberian 3.27 Pct
    Northwest_African -
    Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
    Atlantic_Med 6.28 Pct
    North_European 18.27 Pct
    South_Asian 1.1 Pct
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 1.75 Pct
    East_Asian 3.87 Pct
    Caucasus 45.37 Pct
    Sub_Saharan -


    Distance to: *****
    2.44313323 Karachay
    3.00699185 Circassian
    3.15917711 Balkar
    3.58567985 Abazin
    3.97322287 Ossetian
    4.01105971 Kumyks
    4.13054476 Adyghe
    4.78735835 Ingush
    4.97046276 Kabardin
    6.40916531 Chechen
    7.63317758 Ossetian_South
    10.75596579 Qumuq
    12.86482802 Lak
    12.96751325 Abkhazian
    13.20493847 Lezgin
    13.65818070 Kubachi_Dagestan
    14.70348598 Kaitag_Dagestan
    14.78175903 Avar
    14.94983612 Georgian
    15.00077331 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    15.10593592 Tabasaran
    15.46994829 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
    15.47945735 Udi_Azerbaijan
    15.69427921 Turk_Ahiska
    15.78705799 Dargin



    Target: *****
    Distance: 1.5501% / 1.55007024 | ADC: 0.25x RC

    30.5 Ossetian_South
    28.9 Karachay
    24.1 Ossetian
    11.9 Kubachi_Dagestan
    2.6 Spanish_Basque
    2.0 Korean



    Target: *****
    Distance: 2.3546% / 2.35462412 | ADC: 0.5x RC

    86.5 Karachay
    13.5 Ingush

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatCat View Post
    Another Karachay result from my matchlist

    Y-DNA: J2a1
    mtDNA: D4 (East Asian)
    The reference is good.

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    One Georgian account (I'm censoring the email address because it's a public forum). Non-Georgian kits are in red
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    I wanted to use some of the for averages but they seem to be relatives.

    Another account, the owner appears to have a Ukrainian grandmother
    Spoiler!

    If any of you guys are interested in exploring them, you are welcome. But apparently most regular readers here are no fans of the Georgians for whatever reason
    Last edited by Leto; 01-24-2021 at 06:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    One Georgian account (I'm censoring the email address because it's a public forum). Non-Georgian kits are in red


    Another account, the owner appears to have a Ukrainian grandmother
    Spoiler!

    If any of you guys are interested in exploring them, you are welcome. But apparently most regular readers here are no fans of the Georgians for whatever reason
    Some of the results here look more than quarter Ukrainian.
    For example T525141 looks like he/she is only half Georgian:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 51.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 48.6% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.18
    2 57% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) + 43% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.65
    3 57.5% Balkars (Yunusbayev) + 42.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.67
    4 58.2% Adygei (HGDP) + 41.8% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.1
    5 50.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 49.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.17
    6 57.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) + 42.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.45
    7 58.3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) + 41.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.52
    8 55.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 44.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.64


    First one though (M093855) looks like he is indeedquarter Ukrainina/Slavic:
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 55.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 44.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.11
    2 71.6% Armenians (Behar) + 28.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.45
    3 70.6% Armenians (Behar) + 29.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.66
    4 70.7% Armenians (Behar) + 29.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.76

    5 71.2% Armenians (Behar) + 28.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.84

    6 75.3% Armenians (Behar) + 24.7% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3
    7 71.9% Armenians (Behar) + 28.1% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterling Archer View Post
    Important to not that (Azeri and Dagestani)Tats and Kurds will likely be very different.
    Here is an interesting article about Muslim and Jewish tats from Dagestan:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22275152/

    Tats' haplogroups were found to be similar to Kubachin and Avars:
    J1-M267 65%
    J2-M172 5%
    R1b1-P25 25%

    I read somewhere that it is likely that they are persianized Caucasians.

    The Azeri DNA group is trying to find tats to perform autosomal testing.
    I'll try to convince some of my pure tat relatives to take a test. But right now I suspect Azerbaijani tats will be similar to North Azeris, Lezgins and other Dagestani people. Phenotypically they look like them.
    To be clear, I'm talking about Iranian Tats who speak a NW Iranian language. They are particularly interesting since their language descends from Old Azeri and the only somewhat clear linguistical descendants of the Medes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    Kurd from Arbil/Erbil:

    Gedrosian: 24.51
    Siberian: 1.55
    Northwest_African: 0.55
    Southeast_Asian: 1.10
    Atlantic_Med: 8.70
    North_European: 7.02
    South_Asian: 1.87
    East_African: 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 14.22
    East_Asian: 0.00
    Caucasian: 40.39
    Sub_Saharan: 0.10


    Distance to: Kurd_Erbil
    1.64687583 Kurd_Kurmanji
    2.22418524 Zaza
    2.37987395 Kurd_Adygea
    3.11855736 Yazidi
    3.98684085 Kurd_Sorani
    4.16661733 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    4.94726187 Azerbaijani_Iran
    5.28264138 Iraq_Turkmen
    5.66612743 Lur_Iran
    6.04093536 Iranian
    6.43668393 Azerbaijani
    6.57007610 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    6.78446018 Iran_Central
    7.36452986 Udi_Azerbaijan
    8.35212548 Turk_Southeast
    8.52489883 Iranian_Fars
    9.00101105 Turk_East
    10.12345791 Iraqi_Baghdad
    10.92318177 Mandean
    11.10561570 Turk_Central_East
    11.11729284 Azeri_Jew
    11.39444163 Iran_C_East
    11.51163325 Iranian_Jew
    11.55340210 Iran_Mazandaran
    11.77008921 Assyrian_North

    Target: Kurd_Erbil
    Distance: 1.2903% / 1.29025836 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    53.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
    35.2 Zaza
    6.8 Iranian
    2.7 Mandean
    1.4 Kurd_Adygea
    0.7 Cambodians
    Can you PM me the kit?
    Or is this Halgurd's father?

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