Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**~~Altaylı~~** · 03-09-2021, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Altaylı

MA2195 Ottoman

An Ottoman Turk result from 1400-1600 AD

He is from Central Anatolia Kırşehir

Gedrosia 11.62 Pct
Siberian 22.95 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.87 Pct
North_European 19.68 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_Asian 24.61 Pct
Caucasus 13.41 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.13 Pct

Distance to: OTTOMAN
6.75857233 Nogai_Stavropol
6.96827812 Karakalpak
7.47665032 Nogai_Astrakhan
11.64553133 Turkmen_Afghanistan
12.35340034 Kazakh
12.72848381 Tatar_Siberia
12.87935557 Uzbeki
14.18598604 Tubalar
14.57820291 Bashkir_South
15.41960765 Kyrgyz_Pamir
15.61818812 Uyghur
15.64541786 Uzbek
16.14852934 Altaian_Chelkan
16.71938097 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.03699211 Kyrgyz
18.14460250 Hazara
18.25487880 Shor
20.37753174 Khakass
20.55526210 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
22.19180029 Altaian_Telengit
22.66550463 Lipka_Tatar
22.82168267 Altaian_Kizhi
23.40761628 Bashkir_Central
24.34951129 Tatar_Zabolotniye
27.17373180 Turkmen_Iran

Target: OTTOMAN
Distance: 3.0321% / 3.03206817 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.0 Nogai_Astrakhan
28.4 Tubalar
18.3 Nogai
7.3 Turkmen_Afghanistan

Is that OTTOMAN good example for non mixed Oghuz Turk?
Proto Oghuz Turks were like that?

**Leto** · 03-09-2021, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Altaylı

Is that OTTOMAN good example for non mixed Oghuz Turk?
Proto Oghuz Turks were like that?

He does seem to lack any Middle Eastern admixture. Similar to Nogais.

**~~Altaylı~~** · 03-09-2021, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Altaylı

Another Early medieval Turk Kimak DA87

So proto Oghuz Turks were more like that?

**Kaspias** · 03-09-2021, 12:27 PM

@Altaylı

I'm speculating the odds here as we do not have a legit sample yet. In my view, DA87 is a decent example for the "tribe founder" Oghuz, which called "İç Oğuz" in Divanı Lügatıt Türk. MA2195, on the other hand, could be of the "Dış Oğuz" that is of Salur origin or a Khwarezmian refugee escaped from Mongols.

These tests have no radiocarbon and the date given (1400-1600) just an estimation. So they could be from any period, MA2196 seems to be from the Beylik Era, for example.

What we are sure that our old method to use DA89 is not applicable anymore, and MA2195 also does not fit the modern Anatolian Turks, while DA87 gets a "pass" model in qpAdm.

**Sterling Archer** · 03-09-2021, 12:45 PM

Tsakhur(not sure, but likely) from Azerbaijan:

Population
Gedrosia 24.87 Pct
Siberian 2.38 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.2 Pct
North_European 18.87 Pct
South_Asian 1.11 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.52 Pct
East_Asian 1.36 Pct
Caucasus 41.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.55 Pct

Distance to: Tsakhur
2.57060304 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.54401805 Chechen
4.89177882 Ingush
5.44787114 Kumyk
5.64351841 Lezgin
6.70563196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.57225858 Lak
8.70009195 Kubachi_Dagestan
8.72946161 Balkar
8.78223206 Karachay
8.92882411 Azerbaijani_North
8.93508254 Adyghe
9.17811527 Kabardin
9.22030911 Avar
9.41533855 Tabasaran
9.43932201 Abazin
9.53399706 Circassian
9.96855055 Kaitag_Dagestan
9.97652244 Ossetian
10.96557796 Dargin
12.22514213 Ossetian_South
13.89548488 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.93794461 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.94069941 Azerbaijani
14.00827613 Azerbaijani_Iran

**Leto** · 03-09-2021, 01:54 PM

Afghan, 18 percent North European

Gedrosia 35.49 Pct
Siberian 3.24 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 1.46 Pct
North_European 18.09 Pct
South_Asian 17.16 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.32 Pct
East_Asian 0.92 Pct
Caucasus 21.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Fezza
4.16078118 Pashtun_Kandahar
5.83856147 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
7.54394459 Kho
7.58761491 Pashtun_Tarkalani
7.78016067 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
8.69237022 Tajik_Kabul
8.94585379 Pamiri_Ishkashim
9.51176640 Nuristani
9.55367992 Kalash
9.93486789 Pashtun_Yusafzai

Target: Fezza
Distance: 1.6148% / 1.61476099 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.9 Kho
31.0 Pashtun_Kandahar
16.1 Dargin

Distance to: Fezza
1.28659615 75.80% Kalash + 24.20% Kumyk
1.39270113 19.60% Chechen + 80.40% Kho
1.39552214 77.00% Kho + 23.00% Lezgin
1.41884305 19.00% Ingush + 81.00% Kho
1.46714962 80.00% Kho + 20.00% Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
1.49683820 22.40% Kabardin + 77.60% Kalash
1.57803200 21.80% Balkar + 78.20% Kalash
1.62808235 21.80% Abazin + 78.20% Kalash
1.70360599 21.40% Circassian + 78.60% Kalash
1.72101614 83.80% Kho + 16.20% Ossetian_South

Half Pashtun half German
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Gedrosia 23.69 Pct
Siberian 0.67 Pct
Northwest_African 0.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.86 Pct
Atlantic_Med 19.31 Pct
North_European 30.84 Pct
South_Asian 10.61 Pct
East_African 0.22 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.87 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 11.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Karin
1.47787743 49.20% Icelandic + 50.80% Pashtun_Tarkalani
1.59567467 49.80% German_Northwest + 50.20% Pashtun_Tarkalani
1.61651379 49.40% German_Northwest + 50.60% Pashtun_Uthmankhel
1.70513076 49.60% Icelandic + 50.40% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
1.76200368 49.80% Pashtun_Tarkalani + 50.20% Scottish
1.76777880 49.80% English_North + 50.20% Pashtun_Tarkalani
1.79111290 48.60% Danish + 51.40% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
1.82559225 48.80% Icelandic + 51.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel
1.88285991 52.00% English_South + 48.00% Kalash
1.92639628 52.40% Dutch + 47.60% Kalash

Alexandro · 03-09-2021, 02:46 PM

Free my nigga, Gecko

**Sterling Archer** · 03-09-2021, 02:50 PM

Azerbaijani from the Republic.

Gedrosia 20.6 Pct
Siberian 2.75 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.3 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.3 Pct
North_European 11.42 Pct
South_Asian 2.22 Pct
East_African 0.41 Pct
Southwest_Asian 10.21 Pct
East_Asian 2.06 Pct
Caucasus 40.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Sarkhan
3.51742804 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.56029493 Azerbaijani_North
4.16575323 Azerbaijani
4.87981557 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.21956895 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.24185870 Turk_Southeast
6.75402843 Turk_Central_East
7.00342773 Zaza
7.24600580 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.24765479 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.45301281 Turk_East
7.79744189 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.90633923 Turk_South
8.24970302 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.45460821 Kurd_Adygea
8.81306984 Turk_Central_West
9.10879794 Yazidi
9.62523246 Iraq_Turkmen
9.70330356 Kurd_Sorani
10.12806990 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.40692558 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.81019426 Kumyk
10.96061586 Ingush
10.96552324 Iranian
11.13033243 Adyghe

**Sterling Archer** · 03-09-2021, 02:51 PM

double

**Dr_Maul** · 03-09-2021, 02:54 PM

n=6 Ethnic Persians, from different regions. If you are interested in Kit numbers I can send them

East1,29.37,2.43,0.5,0.55,3.71,9.12,7.65,0.65,13.23,0.36,31.5,0.94
East2,26.97,0.63,3.71,0,8.3,9.34,6.82,0,8.78,0.45,34.63,0.38

South1,27.79,0.47,0.94,0.71,5.05,7.59,5.27,1.29,14.31,0.7,35.07,0.8
South2,27.98,1.54,2.43,0,4.14,6.69,6.34,1.65,13.11,0,35.53,0.57

West1,25.26,0.75,2.65,0,5.29,10.29,4.89,0,12.29,1.72,36.86,0
West2,27.37,3.34,2.56,0.74,5.33,5.75,2.85,0.24,9.46,0,42.31,0