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    Default K12b - Balkan Model

    I had been playing with it, thought the model actually might be useful for you too.

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    Slavic,3.74,0.99,0.24,0.35,23.86,56.09,0.50,0.09,1.88,0.12,12.09,0.08
    Balkanic:AddSteppe,8.51,0.62,0.38,0.22,34.83,48.60,0.61,0.29,0.57,0.12,5.07,0.19
    Balkanic:Mainref,7.86,0.13,2.76,0.13,26.75,16.80,0.40,0.15,11.12,0.55,33.42,0.05
    Turkic:Ottoman,13.98,10.53,3.8,0,12.36,12.63,2.74,1.67,3.09,12.12,26.34,0.75
    Turkic:Pre-Ottoman,14.53,22.72,0,2.41,3.86,24.42,0.81,0.11,0,23.68,7.18,0.28
    My main focus was on Central and Eastern Balkans, therefore Germanic-like ancestry evaluated as an additional Balkanic admixture. It is used in order to consummate the main Balkan component. But this method creates an unusual shift in the western and northern corner of the Balkans, specifically Slovenia and Croatia as well as Hungary -despite it is not really a Balkan country, just for the purpose of statement- as these countries might have actual Germanic heritage and even if they don't, their native base is much more northern-western shifted than the one used in this model. In this sense, I can not guarantee you will get stable results in this area. On the other hand, as the Dodecad K12b spreadsheet lacks a variable amount of components from Western Balkans, the output I present might not reflect reality as well. For example, below, I excluded Slovenia because it is modeled wrong.










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    Target: Thracian
    Distance: 3.9461% / 3.94612468 | ADC: 0.25x
    70.6 Balkanic
    15.0 Slavic
    14.4 Turkic

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    Target: migrec
    Distance: 5.0452% / 5.04518021
    52.1 Balkanic
    24.6 Slavic
    23.3 Turkic

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    Target: Ryujin

    Distance: 7.9464% / 7.94637702

    69.7 Balkanic
    25.8 Turkic
    4.5 Slavic

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    Target: Dušan
    Distance: 3.8776% / 3.87761568
    62.9 Slavic
    37.1 Balkanic:Mainref
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    Interesting model though for my Greek friend, his mother and his non biological maternal grandfather, it doesn't really work ...The distances are too big :/

    First his non bio maternal grandfather. He has an arvanite genetic profile and sure enough, he is basically THE Albanian average... The distance though is quite high, not sure what's missing here...

    Target: Chris_non_bio_grandpa
    Distance: 5.6687% / 5.66870828
    84.4 Balkanic:Mainref
    15.4 Slavic
    0.2 Balkanic:AddSteppe

    My friend, better distances but still relatively high. Obviously he can't be 0% Slavic, whatever he has it gets sucked into the balkanic component. Also, what is the difference between Pre-Ottoman and Ottoman ? east asian-heavy for the former and mostly West Asian for the latter ? The opposite ? Something else ?

    Target: Chris
    Distance: 4.1509% / 4.15088941
    98.3 Balkanic:Mainref
    1.7 Turkic:Ottoman

    Lastly, his mother. The comments for my friend are applicable to her too. In addition, here the model is obviously unfit for her. As far as I understand she may have extra west asian shift compared to a typical Mainlander/Islander mix (hence the Turkic Ottoman ? ) but other than that I don't know why it's so off . No matter the calculator used, even on G25, and the amount of populations she can't get very good fits usually.

    Target: ChrisMom
    Distance: 7.2915% / 7.29145865
    90.3 Balkanic:Mainref
    9.7 Turkic:Ottoman

    Their Dodecad K12b coordinates
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    Chris,8.47,0.13,1.56,0,26.05,17.21,0.92,0.3,8.62,0.42,36.31,0
    ChrisMom,10.03,0,1.86,0,21.95,15.07,0.46,1.1,10.31,0.69,38.51,0
    Chris_non_bio_grandpa,3.85,0,1.74,1.33,29.1,23.27,1.09,0,7.25,0,32.19,0.15

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    It is amazing how I inherited only Balkanic admixture from my mother.

    Target: Kayra
    Distance: 2.2753% / 2.27531109
    73.9 Balkanic
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacreme View Post
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    Distances are actually not that important as the component size is low. However, as you stated, the model doesn't fit your friend's mom and himself. The reason they get Ottoman is the West-Asian shift. It fits pretty well for his grandpa.

    Pre-Ottoman is the Khazar/Bulgar sample from the Pontic Steppe. Ottoman one is half Anatolian, half Oghuz sample from Kırşehir.




    PCA so far.


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    Code:
    Kyp,13.18,2.49,0.53,0.01,20.55,29.48,2.28,0,4.50,1.49,25.40,0
    Target: kyp
    Distance: 6.2706% / 6.27058970
    36.4 Balkanic
    33.4 Slavic
    30.2 Turkic
    1 25% German + 25% German + 25% Turkmens + 25% Turk_East_Black_Sea @ 2,009
    2 25% German + 25% German + 25% Turkmens + 25% Greek_Pontus @ 2,217
    3 25% German + 25% German + 25% Turkmens + 25% Turk_Ahiska @ 2,293

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