Who was the most negative historical figure of your country/ethnicity?

[Hialt]

Louis XVIII (1755-1824), the loathsome puppet king of France from 1814 to 1824.



He was installed on the French throne by the enemy.
Because of that overweight douchebag, France became (though being virtually the most powerful advanced European country) for all practical purposes a British dominion from 1815 to 1940.
I want to puke whenever I'm thinking of that heap of shit.

You're cracking me up, man...

[The Blade]

To me it was Alexander Stamboliyski.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar_Stamboliyski
He wanted Bulgaria to lose its independence and become part of a greater Balkan Slavic state and cared more about Yugoslav loses in WWI when in fact Bulgaria fought against them and defeated them multiple times. Guy went against a legit king and wanted to take a political course completely against the interests of our country. He supported many ideas that would later be known as communist ones. No wonder he was executed. A ''negative figure'' is just too weak of a phrase for him; he was a national traitor.

[Ouistreham]

And conversely, I'd say William the Conqueror was a deeply baleful influence on Britain - he brought along Norman feudalism and all.

Arguably, yes.
But the superior, insightful strategic sense Engand displayed all through her history is probably a Norman legacy.

[Tooting Carmen]

Arguably, yes.
But the superior, insightful strategic sense Engand displayed all through her history is probably a Norman legacy.

But for a long time we became a substantially less free and equal society either way.

[Ouistreham]

But for a long time we became a substantially less free and equal society either way.

Oh yes. The Norman domination was authoritarian and ruthless indeed.
But it granted England some of her most valuable assets:
• The Common Law (the important word being common): the Norman Kings decided that the judges and courts should follow the same standards throughout the country, which gave birth to a unified, sensible legal system.
That way, Norman tyranny set the bases for a parliamentary system, and hence made democracy possible. Paradox, eh.
Meanwhile, in pre-revolutionary France (and on most of the continent), every province had its own customary Germanic legal system. From a hamlet to another the laws could be absolutely different, which made sometimes lawsuits involving people from several provinces inextricably complicated.
(Except in the Southern provinces —Provence, Languedoc etc.— that had preserved the old Latin written civil laws)
• The imperial measurement system: Norman rulers made sure that measurement units would be exactly the same from Exeter to York and from Dover to Carlisle. From that moment a bolt crafted in Coventry could be assembled in Birmingham with a nut made in Staffordshire, which made possible a more efficient division of labour and consequently the Industrial Revolution.

[Creoda]

Australia: Whitlam, Al Grassby, Walter Lippmann, Rudd, Gillard
Britain/England: William I, Cromwell, Balfour, Churchill, Blair, Rothschild, the Paki shitbag in London, Frank Soskice, most Jews who've wormed their way into power
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.ne...tural-britain/
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.ne...too-case-file/
Ireland: don't follow Irish history

[Blondie]

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[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

England: Henry VIII......ended catholicism as state religion in england. broke england's relationship with the pope and europe...serial killer of women...became a fat bastard, and influenced generations of brits and their yank descendants, causing many to live an immoral life with v poor dietary habits

[Creoda]

The worst effect of Henry VIII was the destruction of the monasteries, and so much of England's Medieval art/culture/history/literature. On the other hand he founded the Royal Navy in effect, making England more formidable than ever, and paved the way for it to become a great power. Arguably also began the 'English Renaissance', despite the cultural destruction he wrought.