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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    Christians have never been genocided that wouldn't have make sense for people who used to perceive the jizya from dhimmis. They simply went through a process of islamization where muslims were economically favored and arabs also used to take "clients" as hostage who received an islamic education and then were sent back to their families and used as missionaries
    Christians suffered many continuous genocides from all different Muslim ethnic groups spare none. That process of Islamization that you mentioned included physical genocide in addition to the economic one.
    It does make a lot of sense, you just answer the question why the Christian population went from 100% to 10% for the Copts and to less than 1% or even close to 0% in the case of Assyrians and other non Muslim minorities in some of their original countries.

    My analogy to it is like that in the US where when someone wins the lottery, the person you can chose to take a 30 year payments or can chose to take a reduced lump sum where he/she doesn't have to wait for 30 years to collect all the money.

    You are right in saying that they were used as cash cows, but then some of the Muslim rulers and their Muslim population wanted instant economic advantage so the genocides were a fast way to collect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinshen View Post
    Christians suffered many continuous genocides from all different Muslim ethnic groups spare none. That process of Islamization that you mentioned included physical genocide in addition to the economic one.
    It does make a lot of sense, you just answer the question why the Christian population went from 100% to 10% for the Copts and to less than 1% or even close to 0% in the case of Assyrians and other non Muslim minorities in some of their original countries.

    My analogy to it is like that in the US where when someone wins the lottery, the person you can chose to take a 30 year payments or can chose to take a reduced lump sum where he/she doesn't have to wait for 30 years to collect all the money.

    You are right in saying that they were used as cash cows, but then some of the Muslim rulers and their Muslim population wanted instant economic advantage so the genocides were a fast way to collect.
    Are YOU asking why Copts were Islamized and Arabized in Egypt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinshen View Post
    Christians suffered many continuous genocides from all different Muslim ethnic groups spare none. That process of Islamization that you mentioned included physical genocide in addition to the economic one.
    It does make a lot of sense, you just answer the question why the Christian population went from 100% to 10% for the Copts and to less than 1% or even close to 0% in the case of Assyrians and other non Muslim minorities in some of their original countries.

    My analogy to it is like that in the US where when someone wins the lottery, the person you can chose to take a 30 year payments or can chose to take a reduced lump sum where he/she doesn't have to wait for 30 years to collect all the money.

    You are right in saying that they were used as cash cows, but then some of the Muslim rulers and their Muslim population wanted instant economic advantage so the genocides were a fast way to collect.

    No offense but I think you don't really understand what genocide means or imply :

    genocide
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    UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/

    the murder of a whole group of people, especially a whole nation, race, or religious group

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negah View Post
    Are YOU asking why Copts were Islamized and Arabized in Egypt?
    No, I was asking Hamilcar for his explanation of why Copts population dropped from 100% to less than 10% in one thousand years of Muslim rule.
    He claimed that there was never any genocide committed against the indigenous Christian MENA populations by their Muslim rulers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinshen View Post
    No, I was asking Hamilcar for his explanation of why Copts population dropped from 100% to less than 10% in one thousand years of Muslim rule.
    He claimed that there was never any genocide committed against the indigenous Christian MENA populations by their Muslim rulers.
    There have been periods of intolerance, forced conversion, and persecution of the Christian communities in the middle east. Unfortunately, this is even true today in the middle east where you have various extremist movements within the Islamic world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    No offense but I think you don't really understand what genocide means or imply :

    genocide
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    the murder of a whole group of people, especially a whole nation, race, or religious group
    No offense taken, I know very well what genocide means.
    It includes indiscriminate mass killing of the conquered indigenous population, obliterating their cultural heritage (Language, Religion, way of life), economic appropriation and displacement of the whoever survives the mass killing where it results in becoming a small minority or disappearing all together where they used to be the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinshen View Post
    No offense taken, I know very well what genocide means.
    It includes indiscriminate mass killing of the conquered indigenous population, obliterating their cultural heritage (Language, Religion, way of life), economic appropriation and displacement of the whoever survives the mass killing where it results in becoming a small minority or disappearing all together where they used to be the majority.
    exactly but these christians never faced such treatment, it's simply unproductive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    exactly but these christians never faced such treatment, it's simply unproductive
    What are your ethnicity and nationality? Are you an Egyptian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negah View Post
    What are your ethnicity and nationality? Are you an Egyptian?
    I'm moroccan of belgian nationality Sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    exactly but these christians never faced such treatment, it's simply unproductive
    Can you answer my question then please?
    You seemed to be in denial. I just don't exactly know if you are convinced of what you are saying, or just trying to cover things up.
    A lot of people seem to have the attitude that their shit doesn't stink, only other people's shit stink and always try to dress it up nicely or just outright denial.

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