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    Possible match of E-b4281 or ph117
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    The genetic legacy of the Hunyadi descendants study

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    "Based on haplotype prediction, both samples can be classified into haplogroup E-M78 (E1b1b1a1) which was confirmed by testing the M78 SNP marker.

    The E-M78 haplogroup may have been formed about 13,400 years ago (Adamov et al., 2015). Remains belonging to the E-M78 subgroup, dating from about 7000 years ago, were discovered in Avellaner cave, Spain (Lacan et al., 2011). Another E-M78 sample from the Sopot culture was found in Hungary (5000-4800 BCE) (Szécsényi-Nagy, 2015). This indicates that E-M78 men most likely arrived with Neolithic farmers from the Fertile Crescent to Europe and even Asia (Battaglia et al., 2009). Within a few centuries, haplogroup E-V13 became one of the most widespread male lineages in Europe, reaching far beyond the borders of Europe and the Mediterranean, as Asia (Cruciani et al., 2007)."

    "4. Conclusion
    We have successfully identified the DNA profile of the last two male members of the renowned Central European Hunyadi family, who have an ancient Neolithic genetic heritage at the genomic level. The Y-chromosomal E1b1b1a1b1a6a1c ∼ (E-BY4281) haplogroup, which characterizes the Hunyadi family, will provide clues for the attempt to identify the remains of Matthias Hunyadi, among the remains from the ossarium adjacent to the site of the destroyed basilica at Székesfehérvár, Hungary."

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    Arpads were also Hungarians...

    Árpád Dynasty was R1a-M417>Z645>PF6162


    Árpád Dynasty
    845 - 1301 CE

    Shared Ancestor

    3000 BCE

    You and Árpád Dynasty share a common paternal line ancestor who lived around this time.

    In the first millennia CE, the Carpathian Basin, where modern-day Hungary lies, was contested by many Eastern European powers including the First Bulgarian Empire, East Francia, and Moravia. These three powers and others often recruited mercenaries of Asian ancestry from the Ural Mountains to fight for them.

    In the late 9th century CE, these tribes united and elected the leader of the Magyar Tribe, Álmos, to lead the coalition of tribes in the conquest of the Carpathian Basin. While Álmos was killed early in this conquest, his son Árpád went on to lead a successful campaign that resulted in a dynasty lasting more than four centuries.

    The remains of a direct paternal descendant of Árpád’s, King Béla III of Hungary, were discovered in the Royal Basilica of Székesfehérvár in 1848.

    Peter Nagy et al. 2020 sequenced and analyzed DNA from Béla III of Hungary and 8 other individuals buried in the Royal Basilica of Székesfehérvár and determined that one of the unknown men, HU52, was a close patrilineal relative of Bela III. The currently closest present-day Y-DNA tested patrilineal relative of the Árpáds is an anonymous man from Novi Sad (Ujvidek) in present-day Serbia.

    Varga et al. 2022 additionally sequenced and analyzed DNA from Saint Ladislaus (Ladislaus I of Hungary, great-great-granduncle of Bela III) and performed relatedness analysis with Béla III and HU52. They determined that HU52 was one of the 5 grandsons of Bela III and that the most likely candidate is Prince Andreas, also known as Andrew of Hungary, Prince of Halych.

    Genetic and historical information sourced from Peter Nagy et al. 2020 and Varga et al. 2022

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    Árpáds were : R1a: z2123- sur51- ft351000 (r-arp)
    bmac-xiongnu-hungaria magna (baskiria)- european huns- pontic huns- pontic onogur-hun-bulgars- magyars
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    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z

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    you forgot copy this:
    Ancient samples with paternal Hg E1b1b1a1b1a6a1 probably have widespread geographical and chronological distribution. One was excavated in Medieval Sardinia (Marcus et al., 2020) and another one was derived from the Otrar-Karatau culture of the Iron Age Kazakh steppe (Gnecchi-Ruscone et al., 2021), both sample belonged to: E1b1b1a1b1a6a1∼; E-CTS9320. The same sublineage of E-V13 (E1b1b1a1b1a) had been detected in the Carpathian Basin in Avar individuals (650–675 AD), elite Hungarian Conquerors (895–950 AD) (Neparáczki et al., 2019), and in a Medieval Hungarian nobleman (Nagy et al., 2021; Olasz et al., 2019) (Table 2).

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    So the Hunyadi family has obviously romanian paternal origin. Im not surprised, it was the most possible theory.

    E1b1b1a1 is an ancient balkanite line, most common among romanians in the region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    So the Hunyadi family has obviously romanian paternal origin. Im not surprised, it was the most possible theory.

    E1b1b1a1 is an ancient balkanite line, most common among romanians in the region.
    They're some of the greats and I consider them family. I serve palinka to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    They're some of the greats and I consider them family. I serve palinka to them.
    Yes but i would not call them romanian. Although the Hunyadi family has obviously romanian origin they were part of hungarian nobility, they were loyal to hungarian king, they were catholic and they consider themselves hungarian for sure (ethnic identity does not exist at this time), or Mathias Corvinus was half hungarian because of his mother. Its like just because Napoleon had italian origin no one refers him as italian but french.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Yes but i would not call them romanian. Although the Hunyadi family has obviously romanian origin they were part of hungarian nobility, they were loyal to hungarian king, they were catholic and they consider themselves hungarian for sure (ethnic identity does not exist at this time), or Mathias Corvinus was half hungarian because of his mother. Its like just because Napoleon had italian origin no one refers him as italian but french.
    It's a bit of a stretch to to say that ethnic identity didn't exist back then, even if it was more fluid, and given less importance to before the advent of nationalism. We know about the Romanian ethnic origin of the Hunyads because it was mentioned in primary sources. That Mathias, who was further removed from his Romanian heritage than his father, reportedly spoke Romanian is pretty significant. Not to say that they didn't feel part of Hungary. It was normal for nobles to be ethnically mixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpatz View Post
    That Mathias, who was further removed from his Romanian heritage than his father, reportedly spoke Romanian is pretty significant
    Source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carpatz View Post
    Not to say that they didn't feel part of Hungary.
    Do you think the half hungarian Mathias Corvinus who was king of Hungary did not feel himself part of Hungary? Dont make me laugh. What is your source that he felt himself closer to Wallachia or Moldova?

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