Matthias Corvinus ydna may be soon revealed

[Carpatz]

That Mathias, who was further removed from his Romanian heritage than his father, reportedly spoke Romanian is pretty significant.

Source?

"According to the late 16th century testimony of Polish author Varsevicius (Krzystoff Warszewiecki), who drew on the work of authors from the time of Matthias, the Hungarian king received some Moldavian envoys (whom the Polish author called “Wallachians” ) dispatched by Stephen the Great. When they began their message with the Romanian words “Spune domnului nostru” [Tell our lord], he told them that if that was their language, then he did not need an interpreter."

http://renaissance.elte.hu/wp-conten...s-Corvinus.pdf

Do you think the half hungarian Mathias Corvinus who was king of Hungary did not feel himself part of Hungary? Dont make me laugh. What is your source that he felt himself closer to Wallachia or Moldova?

You misunderstood. Read that statement again.

[Blondie]

"According to the late 16th century testimony of Polish author Varsevicius (Krzystoff Warszewiecki), who drew on the work of authors from the time of Matthias, the Hungarian king received some Moldavian envoys (whom the Polish author called “Wallachians” ) dispatched by Stephen the Great. When they began their message with the Romanian words “Spune domnului nostru” [Tell our lord], he told them that if that was their language, then he did not need an interpreter."

The writer Ioan Aurel Pop is a famous ultra nationalist romanian historian:

"He is a nationalist."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioan-Aurel_Pop

Even other romanian historians like Boia debunked his many writing. These political propagandists are totally irrelevant because they use the history only for political reasons. Show this original ducument from Varsevicius.

You misunderstood. Read that statement again.

You said: "Not to say that they didn't feel part of Hungary."

It shows that you know nothing about history. In the medieval age the nationality was totally irrelevant, there were political nations like hungarian nobility, croatian nobility etc, at this time Wallachia and Moldova were ruled by Golden Horde, romanians as political nation did not even exist at this time. Such persons like Basarab family had turkic origin:

The dynasty was named after Basarab I, who gained the independence of Wallachia from the Kingdom of Hungary.


Coat of arms of the House of Draculesti
The name is likely of Cuman or Pecheneg Turkic[2][3][4][5] origin and most likely meant "father ruler". Basar was the present participle of the verb "to rule", derivatives attested in both old and modern Kypchak languages. The Romanian historian Nicolae Iorga believed the second part of the name, -aba ("father"), to be an honorary title, as recognizable in many Cuman names, such as Terteroba, Arslanapa, and Ursoba.

Basarab's "possible" father Thocomerius also bore an allegedly Cuman name, identified as Toq-tämir, a rather common Cuman and Tatar name in the 13th century. The Russian chronicles around 1295 refer to a Toktomer, a prince of the Mongol Empire present in Crimea.[6]

The Cuman or Pecheneg origin of the name is, the situation must have been very similar to that described in connection with the Asen family a hundred years before. Like Asen and his family, who were of non Bulgarian extraction, and who founded a dynasty and became Bulgarians, Basarab and his family were also presumably of Cuman extraction, founded a dynasty, and became Romanians.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Basarab

Both Hunyadi identified themselves as part of hungarian noblity (nation), Mathias Hunyadi as hungarian king and János Hunyadi as servant of hungarian king. This is how the medieval age has worked.

[Carpatz]

The writer Ioan Aurel Pop is a famous ultra nationalist romanian historian:

"He is a nationalist."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioan-Aurel_Pop

Even other romanian historians like Boia debunked his many writing. These political propagandists are totally irrelevant because they use the history only for political reasons. Show this original ducument from Varsevicius.

He's a well respected historian, not a quack, despite being a super duper ultrasonic mega nationalist . Boia is a deconstructionist, but he's respected too in certain circles (he received the Knight's Cross of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Hungary). Historians are researchers, and researchers have researcher bias. Everyone has a bias. What's bad is lying and intentionally publishing false info. Here Pop is quoting a Polish source. I can't find the original Polish source, but I trust that Pop isn't a liar. Either way, I said that he reportedly spoke it, because it was just a passing mention in a Polish secondary source.

In the medieval age the nationality was totally irrelevant, there were political nations like hungarian nobility, croatian nobility etc, at this time Wallachia and Moldova were ruled by Golden Horde, romanians as political nation did not even exist at this time.

Golden Horde didn't rule shit, this was a frontier zone where nomads roamed. Crusader Kings ain't reality. I forgor that Romanians materialized out of thin air, thanks for lettings me know.

Such persons like Basarab family had turkic origin:

So It's just conjecture based on the etymology of the given name Basarab. There's so many other possible explanations for this. Perhaps his mother, who we know nothing about, was a Cuman woman, and gave him this name. Or maybe his parents just admired the warlike Cumans, and decided to give him this name. Could also be that it's a nickname. In Romanian oral tradition, Thocomerius is referred to as Radu Negru, for example. Later members of the Basarab/Draculesti family had Slavic names, so perhaps it was a trend that fell out of style. In all primary sources where his ethnicity is mentioned, he is referred to as a Vlach (Romanian). Not to mention that the Cumans were allied with Hungarians against Basarab at the Battle of Posada. This deconstructionist theory of their supposed Cumanic origin was originally promoted for sensationalist purposes.

You said: "Not to say that they didn't feel part of Hungary." It shows that you know nothing about history.
Both Hunyadi identified themselves as part of hungarian noblity (nation), Mathias Hunyadi as hungarian king and János Hunyadi as servant of hungarian king.

Biatch that means literally the opposite of what you think it means. I was saying that he felt part of Hungary despite his Romanian heritage. Learn the English language before you go on pointless tirades.

This is how the medieval age has worked.

Oh yeah? Thanks you, doctor.

[dviz]

The writer Ioan Aurel Pop is a famous ultra nationalist romanian historian:

"He is a nationalist."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioan-Aurel_Pop

Even other romanian historians like Boia debunked his many writing. These political propagandists are totally irrelevant because they use the history only for political reasons. Show this original ducument from Varsevicius.

Ioan Aurel Pop is a famous medievalist and the president of the Romanian Academy. Nobody debunked him and he's no ultra-nationalist.

Boia on the other hand is just a disgusting whore. He'll write anything his employers ask him to, even if that leads him to contradict himself from one day to the other. He did that during communism and 20 more years after that. Luckily he's old to write now. Btw, Boia is not an actual historian but a specialist in the "critique" (in Marxist sense) of the methods used by historians. He has nothing to recommend him in the study of Medieval times. Name-dropping Boia doesn't help your argument.

[Kriptc06]

saw this the other day https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y7168*/

[Daco Celtic]

Yes but i would not call them romanian. Although the Hunyadi family has obviously romanian origin they were part of hungarian nobility, they were loyal to hungarian king, they were catholic and they consider themselves hungarian for sure (ethnic identity does not exist at this time), or Mathias Corvinus was half hungarian because of his mother. Its like just because Napoleon had italian origin no one refers him as italian but french.

Mathias Corvinus, they don't make guys like that anymore. A man's man as we say in America.

[Blondie]

He's a well respected historian, not a quack, despite being a super duper ultrasonic mega nationalist . Boia is a deconstructionist, but he's respected too in certain circles (he received the Knight's Cross of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Hungary). Historians are researchers, and researchers have researcher bias. Everyone has a bias. What's bad is lying and intentionally publishing false info. Here Pop is quoting a Polish source. I can't find the original Polish source, but I trust that Pop isn't a liar. Either way, I said that he reportedly spoke it, because it was just a passing mention in a Polish secondary source.

Yes he is well respected among nationalists. Pop does not even deny his ultra nationalist political views, to quote him is laughable in a scientific debate, because such persons are not factual and impartial from politics and they see the history in this way. Your only problem with Boia that he does not share the widely accepted nationalist views but much more critical. And this two side exist in these countries: 1. the nationalist writers who idealized the history and 2. who are critical, of course you (and Ixulescu/dviz) as nationalists consider Pop more sympathetic because you guys have similar views and the other side is "traitor disgusting whore" etc etc. Dont think that this is just in Romania, same in other places. I have already argued with many such nationalists from hungarian side, you guys have 100% same narrative: calling them communist, they are too old, hired by jews, agent of Habsburgs (its popular in Hungary) vs agent of hungarians (its popular in Romania).

he's no ultra-nationalist.

Yeah NOO.... thats why he fetisize the hungarian and polish nationalist governments
https://www.g4media.ro/academia-roma...-si-cehia.html

I forgor that Romanians materialized out of thin air, thanks for lettings me know.

I did not say that, but as you said: "learn the English language"

[gixajo]

saw this the other day https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y7168*/

[MandM]

Saw on my ftdna that me and The Hunyadi family hade an shared ancestor 1150 BCE so its quite far back, but still think its a bit cool

[Kökény]

Mathias Corvinus, they don't make guys like that anymore. A man's man as we say in America.

Indeed.

"Tales of King Matthias" from the golden age of Hungarian animation.