Basque people deserve their country, YES OR NO?

[gixajo]

The nationalist parties, Basque and Catalan specially, have supported the winner of the Spanish elections, in such a way that they have become essential to achieve the majority of the investiture many times.

In this way they have obtained more and more "perks" from the central government, regardless of whether it governed on the right or the left.

Considering the few seats they have in the Spanish parliament, they have achieved enormous influence in the formation of governments.

This game of obtaining privileges is what has created prosperity in these areas, and not any particularity that makes their inhabitants superior.

And even more taking into account that those who have 8 Basque great-grandparents with Basque surnames would be about 20% of the total population in the Basque Country, and the same issue about Catalans, maybe it will reach something over 30%.

[Damião de Góis]

Let's start from the beginning. You said that they have to fight for their freedom and I said that they don't have the capability to achieve anything because they are a very small population.

Yes, i said they should have to fight (ideally) instead of being handed to them on a plate.

As for not having the capability to fight, i think they had the same capability as a small county located in southern Galicia or more, also more than Andorra or other small countries. You don't need to have huge army to fight for it, which is why there are lots of small countries. You can also fight politically and make alliances, which i think is something they never had an intention of doing after being absorbed by Castille.

[Cristiano viejo]

They already have their nation, Spain, and so the vaaaaast majority of Basques opine.

Well, they are interesting in the sense that they are a non-romanized island and are genetic isolated in relation to their neighbors. But why would they deserve a country handed to them? We had to fight for ours, they didn't manage to do that in throughout history.

They were romanized same than the rest. Which language do you think they speak?
In the true Basque homeland, Navarra, Romans founded Pamplona, for example.

Isolated genetically? that "works" for every Spanish region. Andalusians or Valencians or any really, have their own and differentiated cluster.

[Damião de Góis]

They already have their nation, Spain, and so the vaaaaast majority of Basques opine.



They were romanized same than the rest. Which language do you think they speak?
In the true Basque homeland, Navarra, Romans founded Pamplona, for example.

I don't know how much basque they speak nowadays but the language still exists and that is something you can't say of other pre-roman languages.

Isolated genetically? that "works" for every Spanish region. Andalusians or Valencians or any really, have their own and differentiated cluster.

The other regions are closer to one another. This can be seen in genetic plots.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Let's start from the beginning. You said that they have to fight for their freedom and I said that they don't have the capability to achieve anything because they are a very small population.

Let's start from zero, who told you Basques want independence ? We are discussing the gender of the angels,that question doesn't even exist.

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't know how much basque they speak nowadays.

Just over a quarter do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_language

[Hialt]

Question: what purpose is served by having their territory recognized in an international way? It's already THEIR land, plus the Basque people have been eternally etched into the history of Europe, and in the public consciousness, as it stands today, already.
Yes, all people deserve formal respect, but I just wonder what can be gained by the formality, in any real sense. I think there is more power in unity, and more is to be gained by staying in Spain, than separation. I'm reminded of Scotland taking steps to be independent. There might be regrets, after separation.
Keep families together!

[Sakis]

Let's start from zero, who told you Basques want independence ? We are discussing the gender of the angels,that question doesn't even exist.

I never said that the Basques want independence, my argument was on an hypothetical basis.

[Cristiano viejo]

I don't know how much basque they speak nowadays but the language still exists and that is something you can't say of other pre-roman languages.

Zero. They, ALL OF THEM, speak Castilian in their daily lifes. All the time. Each fuckin minute of the day. Basque language is just like Latin, kids learn it in the school but nobody uses it.

The other regions are closer to one another. This can be seen in genetic plots.

Basques also are closer.

[XenophobicPrussian]

lol Todd, you really think "ethnic legacy" is why anyone would want their country to be independent?

If I were a Basque nationalist(although I am a non-hypocritical nationalist so I do support Basque statehood), it would be so Spaniards cannot move into the territory legally, using Basque taxpayer money/resources, land, women and bringing in exotic looks and potentially cultures as well(of course this could also be seen as a plus, hence why not everyone is a nationalist), etc. Humans are generally cucked beyond belief though, so usually the reasons are stuff like taxes, being able to dictate own policy(they do have autonomy but at the end of the day Madrid still has the last say), and being too lazy to learn another/occupier's language.

In this case, Basque nationalism is largely a left-wing movement(same with Catalonia, Scotland too), not fueled by traditional nationalism, but basically they want to be governed by leftists and it's much harder to achieve when you have the rest of Spain that votes in different ways. Has nothing to do with some sort of "ethnic legacy" lol.

Keep families together when they don't want a divorce, anything else is immoral.