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    If the baby looks like a morphological wog then does it count as a fetal impairment?

    Actually in Finland, it seems easy to qualify for an abortion based on "social reasons" (https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortti_Suomessa, translated): "Abortions are performed mainly on the basis of various social reasons, where in the view of living conditions or other circumstances of the pregnant woman or her family, giving birth and taking care of a child would present a considerable burden to the mother.[9] In the year 2013, 91.8% of abortions were performed on the basis of social reasons."


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    I wonder what Tooting Carmen would say about this.

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    Europe has a wide variety of laws on the subject, ranging from very pro-choice to extremely pro-life, largely based on the opinion of the electorate of the individual countries. European countries are able to pass laws reflecting the beliefs of their citizens, so it makes sense that there would be less conflict between what the citizens would like the law to be, and what it is.

    It's interesting that in Europe they won't allow abortion in seventh month even if there's nothing wrong with the baby and mother's life is not in danger, but after 10th week they will allow abortion for seemingly 'no reason'. Even the strictest states in the US have a minimum limit of 20 weeks.

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    The only European countries that have similar or more restrictive abortion laws than Poland are all microstates with a significantly richer population than Poland (Monaco, Liechtenstein), and with a smaller area and population than Warsaw (Malta, San Marino).

    Abortions should be as easy to access as possible, no matter the time frame. That means no waiting periods, no counseling, no requiring to see an ultrasound beforehand, etc. If anything, America's abortion laws are more laxed than Europe's.

    In America, pro-abortion states don't have waiting periods (like in Belgium), mandatory counseling (like in the Netherlands), and can be had even up to the third trimester (which in much of Europe can't).

    Oddly enough, Evangelical Churches in America weren't fiercely anti-abortion until the 1980's (aside from being generally judgmental about all sexuality), when the moral majority was using as many inflammatory issues as possible to induce fear. It was only the Catholic Church that was very aggressively fighting legalised abortion and birth control back in the 70's.

    In the wake of the "Powell Memo" the elites of America united to counter the progressive movement that came out of the new deal coalition in the 60's. And by turning abortion into a hot issue elites were able to get evangelical values voters to align with business interests.

    Basically, for the elites to maintain their power they had to get poor southern and rural christian whites on board with a pro-business agenda and did so by tying it to values issues like abortion.

    So, relatively poorer dixiecrats in rural Tennessee, etc. who always voted Democrat started voting Republican over things like abortion. People whose interest might align with a broader progressive agenda will support a corporate agenda because they can't support the party that "kills babies when God knows every hair on their head before they're born".

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