Croatian results thread

**Jana** · 12-02-2021, 09:28 PM

Posting Perunovsin and my friend's results (K13+K12b) for @MoroLP, who's reading the thread, in case he missed separate threads about their results.

To be included into Croat_North average:

Code:

Perunovsin,30.07,35.38,15.5,6.58,6.4,2.45,1.22,0,0.18,1.52,0,0,0.71

To be included into Croat_West average:

Code:

Stearsolina_best_friend,31.87,33.69,12.89,9.08,10.92,0.19,0,0.42,0,0.4,0.53,0,0

Their K12b results:

Code:

Perunovisin,3.6,0.82,0.63,0.2,26.76,47.57,1.53,0,3.66,0,14.91,0.31
Stearsolina_best_friend,5.26,0,0,0.32,27.98,47.58,0,0,1.79,0,17.08,0

Perunovsin (E-V13) is northern Croat, my friend (R-Z280) is western Croat.

**Jana** · 12-06-2021, 11:09 AM

New sample to be included into Croat_West average, another friend of mine, native of Grobnik in hrvatsko Primorje (R-U152)

his more specific subclade: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y4353/

K13:

Code:

Grobnik,26.97,34.66,12.89,7.47,13.68,1.64,0.15,0,2.32,0,0.22,0,0

K12b:

Code:

Grobnik,5.01,1.47,2.49,0,25.74,43.41,0.33,0,3.09,0,18.46,0

**Jana** · 12-06-2021, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Posting Perunovsin and my friend's results (K13+K12b) for @MoroLP, who's reading the thread, in case he missed separate threads about their results.

To be included into Croat_North average:

Code:

Perunovsin,30.07,35.38,15.5,6.58,6.4,2.45,1.22,0,0.18,1.52,0,0,0.71

To be included into Croat_West average:

Code:

Stearsolina_best_friend,31.87,33.69,12.89,9.08,10.92,0.19,0,0.42,0,0.4,0.53,0,0

Their K12b results:

Code:

Perunovisin,3.6,0.82,0.63,0.2,26.76,47.57,1.53,0,3.66,0,14.91,0.31
Stearsolina_best_friend,5.26,0,0,0.32,27.98,47.58,0,0,1.79,0,17.08,0

Perunovsin (E-V13) is northern Croat, my friend (R-Z280) is western Croat.

and just in case someone (like Moro) wondering about their more specific origins, Perunovsin is from Zagorje/Podravina and my best friend from Primorje (Brgud + Lošinj) to be exact.
Just mentioning in case Moro is also making smaller regional averages below macro level.

**Jana** · 12-07-2021, 09:30 AM

I was lucky to find 3 more samples for Croat_West average, with family tress and all

First two are also from Grobnik in hrvatsko Primorje (Grobnik means area in suburbs of Rijeka that include many settlements, not just town of Grobnik, and they are located on plain in foothills of Grobnik alps as we call them)

Crazy thing is that these 2 samples from Grobnik have near identical results like my friend from same place posted above!

these two are 1-2 cousins and from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cavle

Croats in Čavle are speakers of north chakavian dialect (which is ekavian)

Sample no.1

North_Atlantic 26.25 Pct
Baltic 33.85 Pct
West_Med 13.49 Pct
West_Asian 10.17 Pct
East_Med 11.78 Pct
Red_Sea 0.58 Pct
South_Asian 1.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.32 Pct
Oceanian 0.83 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.47 Pc

Sample no. 2

North_Atlantic 26.02 Pct
Baltic 34.26 Pct
West_Med 13.4 Pct
West_Asian 7.99 Pct
East_Med 13.78 Pct
Red_Sea 1.83 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.44 Pct
Amerindian 0.06 Pct
Oceanian 0.58 Pct
Northeast_African 0.32 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Code:

Čavle1,26.25,33.85,13.49,10.17,11.78,0.58,1.26,0,0,1.32,0.83,0,0.47
Čavle2,26.02,34.26,13.4,7.99,13.78,1.83,0.3,0,1.44,0.06,0.58,0.32,0

Extra: their Dodecad K12b

1)

Gedrosia 7.61 Pct
Siberian 1.03 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.44 Pct
North_European 43.34 Pct
South_Asian 0.7 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.45 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.09 Pct

2)

Gedrosia 4.77 Pct
Siberian 0.56 Pct
Northwest_African 0.19 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.61 Pct
North_European 45.86 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.25 Pct
East_Asian 0.61 Pct
Caucasus 18.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

**Jana** · 12-07-2021, 09:50 AM

Third sample for Croat_West average for today - a woman from Gorski kotar (Lokve)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lokve,_Croatia

Croats in Lokve are speakers of goranski sub-dialect of Kajkavian.

North_Atlantic 31.16 Pct
Baltic 34.81 Pct
West_Med 13.72 Pct
West_Asian 6.37 Pct
East_Med 10.71 Pct
Red_Sea 0.08 Pct
South_Asian 2.23 Pct
East_Asian 0.63 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Code:

Lokve,31.16,34.81,13.72,6.37,10.71,0.08,2.23,0.63,0,0.28,0,0,0

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 5.56 Pct
Siberian 0.08 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.35 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.58 Pct
North_European 45.75 Pct
South_Asian 0.5 Pct
East_African 0.07 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.38 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.08 Pct

**MoroLP** · 12-07-2021, 12:27 PM

These weeks in my research found some very interesting and important scientific literature and updated my blog. See especially article's chapter 3.3 citations, information, maps, and latest map that made on the migration of the Slavs:

For interactive on SM.

I will also need to do an update on the I-PH908 subclades migration article, but prior to that will make the update of Croatian atDNA averages. It will be this week

**Jana** · 12-07-2021, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by MoroLP

These weeks in my research found some very interesting and important scientific literature and updated my blog. See especially article's chapter 3.3 citations, information, maps, and latest map that made on the migration of the Slavs (interactive on SM).

I will also need to do an update on the I-PH908 subclades migration article, but prior to that will make the update of Croatian atDNA averages. It will be this week

:

:

Impressive work!!

**Jana** · 12-27-2021, 03:46 PM

Primorje Croat From Dražice near Rijeka (they are chakavians) :

https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dra%C5%BEice

North_Atlantic 28.6 Pct
Baltic 33.95 Pct
West_Med 13.4 Pct
West_Asian 10.09 Pct
East_Med 9.92 Pct
Red_Sea 1.24 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.07 Pct

Code:

Dražice,28.6,33.95,13.4,10.09,9.92,1.24,0,1.64,0.8,0,0.28,0,0.07

K12b:

Gedrosia 5.87 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.8 Pct
North_European 44.97 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.61 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.39 Pct
East_Asian 1.31 Pct
Caucasus 16.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

**Jana** · 12-27-2021, 04:10 PM

another sample from Grobnik area (Grobnik-Čavle). Leto helped me find her! There are actually really many tested from this area and they all match each other.

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 30.97 Pct
Baltic 31.74 Pct
West_Med 17.94 Pct
West_Asian 6.62 Pct
East_Med 9.47 Pct
Red_Sea 1.06 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.33 Pct
Amerindian 0.29 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.56 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Code:

Grobnik,30.97,31.74,17.94,6.62,9.47,1.06,0,0,1.33,0.29,0,0.56,0

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 3.96 Pct
Siberian 1.32 Pct
Northwest_African 1.89 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 30.16 Pct
North_European 44.39 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.39 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

**Jana** · 12-27-2021, 04:30 PM

Slavonian Croat with gedcom! (origins from villages around Osijek and Našice)

North_Atlantic 29.82 Pct
Baltic 33.57 Pct
West_Med 12.9 Pct
West_Asian 9.2 Pct
East_Med 10.63 Pct
Red_Sea 1.57 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.71 Pct
Amerindian 1.53 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct

Code:

East_Slavonia,29.82,33.57,12.9,9.2,10.63,1.57,0,0,0.71,1.53,0,0,0.06

Gedrosia 4.43 Pct
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Northwest_African 0.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.54 Pct
North_European 46.14 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.09 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 18.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -