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    Anti islamic /islamphobes and Isis have many things in common with the way they see Islam .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eqilra View Post
    It means that there are no violent texts in the Quran, so why are Europeans there? Specifically, it is about a friend who told me that ISIS justifies its crimes with Koranic verses. I can't wait to read the whole Quran to find out if it's true, but I know I won't read it if it's true, and I know I'll practice it if it's not true because it's bad, because it's good.
    So before I start reading, what is the phase with ISIS verses?
    I don't know which verses ISIS use to justify them, but the link I posted references two passages that were quoted by bin Laden:

    Think not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision. They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them of His Bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve. They rejoice in a Grace and a Bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers. 3:169-171

    And what loss have they if they had believed in Allah and in the Last Day, and they spend out of what Allah has given them for sustenance? And Allah is Ever All-Knower of them. 4:39

    ISIS had a leaflet somewhere with references, but I do not know the actual leaflet:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN12W4KR

    Another article states that ISIS quotes these verses:

    Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 9:29

    O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya’ to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya’, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust). 5:51

    And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday). We said to them: “Be you monkeys, despised and rejected.” So We made this punishment an example to their own and to succeeding generations and a lesson to those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious – see V.2:2). 2:65-66

    And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth! 9:30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Östsvensk View Post
    I don't know which verses ISIS use to justify them, but the link I posted references two passages that were quoted by bin Laden:

    Think not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision. They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them of His Bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve. They rejoice in a Grace and a Bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers. 3:169-171

    And what loss have they if they had believed in Allah and in the Last Day, and they spend out of what Allah has given them for sustenance? And Allah is Ever All-Knower of them. 4:39

    ISIS had a leaflet somewhere with references, but I do not know the actual leaflet:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN12W4KR

    Another article states that ISIS quotes these verses:

    Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 9:29

    O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya’ to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya’, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust). 5:51

    And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday). We said to them: “Be you monkeys, despised and rejected.” So We made this punishment an example to their own and to succeeding generations and a lesson to those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious – see V.2:2). 2:65-66

    And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth! 9:30
    Thanks for the info. You are Muslim? Do you recommend Islam? Can I start reading the Quran without being disappointed?

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    Even if Islam is violent, expansionist and reactionary.

    Since when these are negative traits?

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