Serbian autosomal DNA #2

**Dušan** · 08-17-2022, 10:34 PM

Some nice PCA plots from Genoplot

Eurogenes K13

Dodecad K12b

**Geni_kameni** · 08-30-2022, 01:41 AM

GeniKameni,5.74,0,1.39,0.35,27.01,36.2,0,0,5.18,0, 24.09,0
Where im i on pca?

**Geni_kameni** · 08-30-2022, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Here is model I'm currently using (ancient samples selected by Vbnethkio plus modern Germanic averages from southern Scandinavia).
I find his selection extraordinary good because he dropped obviously mixed early Slavic samples from Czech Republic for example.

Code:

Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I2175_Bulgaria_EBA_5122_ybp,25.65,9.85,35.91,0,25.77,1.7,0,0,0,0,0,1.11,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I2176_Bulgaria_EBA_published_5132_ybp,24.99,12.62,32.15,0,26.93,2.15,0,0,0.01,0.88,0,0.26,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp,30.68,13,27.73,10.03,16.07,0.6,0,1.05,0,0.21,0,0,0.64
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:Bul6_Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA_4450_ybp,22.05,11.26,35.23,0.72,25.07,5.42,0,0,0,0,0.25,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp,30.55,21.81,20.01,8.06,12.49,5.56,0,0,0,0.17,1.35,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30,9.21,28.33,4.36,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16.12,30.59,0.13,25.02,3.53,0,0.35,0,0,1.12,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0,0,0.38,0,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp,33.68,12.02,24.41,7.67,19.6,1.39,0,0,0,1.23,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R132_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,13.49,0,24.28,1.26,35.08,12.33,0,1.72,0.41,0,0.6,8.28,2.57
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R80_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,15.29,0.52,23.55,5.43,37.6,11.68,0,0.2,0,0,0.26,4.42,1.06
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,0.53,0,15.4,20.48,43.2,14.76,1.31,1.03,0,0,0,3.29,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.97,0,17.54,19.13,43.1,13.27,2.48,0,0,0,0,2.51,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,2.93,0,17.45,22.44,37.8,13.78,2.1,0.71,0,0.02,0.31,2.45,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.7,0,21.47,17.49,39.58,7.59,0.39,1.94,0,0.76,0.14,1.91,0.03
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.11,0.88,12.12,32.7,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0,0.32,0.39,1.9,0.44
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R45_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.66,2.53,24.25,10.61,36.68,8.16,0,1.14,0,0,1.4,1.69,0.89
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.21,2.28,19.34,21.39,41.91,10.3,0,0,0,0.19,0,1.38,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.62,0,22.68,21.74,35.29,9.37,0,0.37,0,0.21,0.47,1.25,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.96,1.16,19.72,17.3,34.38,11.41,2.22,0.01,0.03,0.19,0,1.21,0.41
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,2.31,0,13.79,30.08,39.44,10.13,3.04,0,0,0,0,1.07,0.14
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,22.71,9.87,15.99,12.66,27.94,6.69,0.86,1.18,0,0,1.29,0.81,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.62,3.3,16.77,23.96,38.85,10.18,1.73,0,0,0.82,0,0.77,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.98,5.83,21.98,16.85,28.76,6.43,0,0,0.29,0.72,0.51,0.64,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.86,0.47,16.98,14.67,40.12,7.56,1.33,1.13,0,0.31,0,0.57,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.25,8.08,21.47,16.31,31.17,4.53,0,0,0,0.2,1.31,0.53,0.15
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.94,4.56,21.96,20.12,34.47,7.02,1.72,0.93,0,0,0,0.26,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R125_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,15.24,4.84,25.65,22.02,27.75,3.78,0,0,0,0,0.54,0.18,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1548_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,13.7,7.83,17.2,21.18,31.85,6.18,0.1,0,1.17,0,0.7,0.07,0.01
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R835_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.48,7.33,22.76,15.83,28.17,4.29,2.11,0,0,0.18,0.49,0,1.37
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R50_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.8,5.92,19.69,18.96,31.66,8.21,1.77,0.13,0,0,0,0,0.87
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,6.85,0,21.95,22.6,37.03,8.91,0.98,0.75,0,0,0.22,0,0.71
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,18.55,6.06,22.93,13.3,31.22,5.99,0,1.15,0,0.4,0,0,0.4
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.92,0,18.71,28.11,41.51,8.68,0,0,0,0.45,0.34,0,0.28
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R40_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.72,0,23,19.52,36.2,5.66,0,0.47,0.15,0,0,0,0.27
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,25.73,7.27,26.59,13.06,25.7,1.65,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R113_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,25.73,4.01,26.05,11.36,28.27,3.92,0,0,0,0.46,0.2,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R114_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.19,6.78,18.04,19.02,29.56,7.35,0.58,0.77,0,0.7,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,12.03,4.13,19.45,20.54,37.07,3.99,0,0.97,0,0,1.83,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,2.63,8.5,21.08,27.13,34.24,5.03,0,0,0,0.84,0.55,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.53,4.64,21.39,18.62,31.87,3.82,1.51,0,0.43,0.3,0.89,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1545_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,10.35,3.4,22.3,23.93,31.78,7.44,0.06,0,0,0,0.73,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,5.31,0,12.6,36.12,34.89,8.22,2.15,0.72,0,0,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R39_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,9.38,2.57,24.97,19.78,34.82,5.66,0,1.74,0.29,0.78,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R43_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.19,0,22.2,21.83,39.45,3.15,0.45,0,0,0.08,0.65,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.45,0,23.48,18.04,38.86,5.16,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,20.47,1.28,20.11,15.05,34.89,5.56,0,0.17,0,0.59,1.88,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,7.81,1.07,23.57,24.26,37.48,4.96,0,0,0,0,0.85,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R69_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.48,4.41,24.55,22.98,33.7,0.54,0,0.59,0,0.5,0.25,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,6.09,0.06,20.33,24.54,44.64,3.4,0,0,0,0,0.94,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R72_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,10.24,0,22.92,19.04,41.2,5.12,0,0,0.57,0,0.91,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,5.76,2.77,22.82,22.14,43.72,2.03,0,0.1,0,0.27,0.39,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R81_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.54,2.43,22.21,17.14,39.17,4.79,1.98,0,0,0,0.74,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.9,4.35,25.43,19.62,29.98,1.61,0,0,0,0.28,0.83,0,0
Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp,30.22,47.46,11.05,4.34,3.01,0.41,0.55,0,1.56,0.94,0,0.46,0
Slavic:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp,25.17,45.83,13.05,4.29,6.41,0.44,0.00,0.03,2.59,1.13,0.64,0.42,0.00
Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.70,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0.00,1.18,0.56,0.79,0.00,1.29
Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0.00,0.00,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Ladoga_VK19,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4.86,0,0,1.29,0.94,1.44,0.09,0,1.85
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.1,42.86,8.37,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.6,0,1.68,2.01,0,0,0.56
Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0,0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87
Slavic:KRA011_S-Anhalt_1100_AD,29.56,50.68,8.38,2.39,2.54,1.03,1.3,0.14,0,1.4,1.27,1.1,0.21
Slavic:KRA001_S-Anhalt_1100_AD,25.47,47.56,12.36,7.54,1.32,0,2.43,0.52,0.01,1.2,0.71,0.61,0.27
Slavic:VK494_Poland_Sandomierz,32.56,47.37,12.86,2.56,0,0,0.82,2.53,0.31,0.22,0,0.77,0
Slavic:VK466_Russia_Gnezdovo,25.85,43.15,9.22,12.82,0,0,2.34,0.15,0,2.09,1.69,0,2.69
Slavic:VK340_Denmark_Jutland,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Germanic:Denmark,50.61,28.70,10.19,5.00,2.12,0.52,0.99,0.19,0.42,0.59,0.23,0.12,0.17
Germanic:Norway_South_Central,50.83,28.97,9.61,4.78,1.91,0.62,0.94,0.11,0.63,0.68,0.56,0.13,0.23
Germanic:Norwegian,51.14,28.61,9.91,5.60,1.73,0.43,0.42,0.36,0.64,0.91,0.15,0.01,0.10
Germanic:Sweden_Götaland,50.53,29.29,9.86,4.67,1.88,0.62,0.93,0.21,0.69,0.55,0.41,0.18,0.2

Fit will be outstanding for almost everyone due to sheer volume of samples. Romanians and Moldovans would probably require some extra Turkic samples though.

51.2 Slavic
46.2 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
2.6 Germanic

**hazmatnik** · 09-12-2022, 05:32 AM

Map ph2ter did for me, based on K13 Eurogenes

**Geni_kameni** · 09-15-2022, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by hazmatnik

Map ph2ter did for me, based on K13 Eurogenes

nice

**MandM** · 12-12-2022, 09:33 AM

Here is my mother in laws cords, she is from Montenegro on her Fathers side are Scepanovic/ Tribe Rovca And her mothers side Medenica/ Tribe Moraca

k13
Milenko_Motherinlaw,21.3,25.64,19.65,13.88,13.29,2 .7,2.12,0,0,1.07,0.21,0.15,0

K12b
Milenko_Motherinlaw,20.88,1.83,0,0,15 ,2.14,22.03,6.03,29.27,0

MDLP k!6
Milenko_Motherinlaw0,0,15.66,2.67,0,0,31.98,0,20.7 ,2.08,26.91,0,0,0,0,0

Dodecad K12b
Milenko_Motherinlaw,5.86,1.42,0,0,27.68,33.84,0.74 ,0,6.03,0,24.42,0

**Varda** · 12-12-2022, 05:56 PM

Nikac (Никац) posted at Poreklo ancient autosomal admixture for Serbs from 4 regions, i will translate his post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...0522#msg180522

Serbs from central, western Serbia and Vojvodina get: Slavs, Moeso-Romance (locals and Middle Eastern), Cumans in traces.

Target: SerbianW
Distance: 1.1457% / 0.01145683
34.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
28.6 SRB_Roman
26.2 TUR_Marmar_Ilipinar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
9.6 SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
1.2 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

Krajina and Bosnian Serbs have Illyro-Romance influence:

Target: SerbianK
Distance: 1.3198% / 0.01319822
36.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
23.8 TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
10.8 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
9.0 HRV_North_Roman
7.2 MNE_Roman
6.0 HRV_Roman
5.0 SRB_Roman
1.4 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

Among Serbs from southeastern Serbia is very weak influence of Middle Eastern Romans, and prevail Moeso-Romance locals:

Target: SerbianE
Distance: 1.4837% / 0.01483656
40.8 SRB_Roman
31.6% TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
21.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
4.8 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
1.2 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

Montenegrins, interesting, don't get Illyro-Romance, only Moesians. There is a Germanic influence as well.

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 0.7442% / 0.00744217
35.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
32.2 SRB_Roman
15.2 TUR_Marmara_Ilipnar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
12.2 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
4.2 SVN_Germanic
1.0 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

It is interesting relation of Pannonian and Anatolian Slav. Pannonian is the strongest among Slovenes, and Anatolian grows towards the east, although there are exceptions. I believe situation will be clearer when we get more early Slavic results.

......

Nikac also posted this models for Moldavians, and show that we are not so close to them as it seems from a surface without deeper analyses https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...0527#msg180527

Here is model for our "cousins" Moldavians.

Target: Moldavian
Distance: 0.6276% / 0.00627633
26.6 RUS_MA_Slavic
24.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
20.0 HUN_east_Late_Antiquity
12.4 TUR_Marmara_Ilipnar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
7.0 SRB_Roman
6.2 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
2.0 ROU_Ploesti_MA
1.0 IND_Roopkund_A

They definitely show stronger influence of medieval East Slavs, and Daco-Romance people. They also have small Roma (Gypsy) influence. Therefore, yet we can distinguish them from us, regardless we are mix of similar components in similar amounts.

**Atlantic Reptilian** · 12-12-2022, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by hazmatnik

Map ph2ter did for me, based on K13 Eurogenes

Hmm, interesting. How come you have less in the Bosniak_Tuzla area? What is so different genetically in that area?

**Varda** · 12-12-2022, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Varda

Nikac (Никац) posted at Poreklo ancient autosomal admixture for Serbs from 4 regions, i will translate his post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...0522#msg180522

Serbs from central, western Serbia and Vojvodina get: Slavs, Moeso-Romance (locals and Middle Eastern), Cumans in traces.

Target: SerbianW
Distance: 1.1457% / 0.01145683
34.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
28.6 SRB_Roman
26.2 TUR_Marmar_Ilipinar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
9.6 SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
1.2 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

Krajina and Bosnian Serbs have Illyro-Romance influence:

Target: SerbianK
Distance: 1.3198% / 0.01319822
36.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
23.8 TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
10.8 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
9.0 HRV_North_Roman
7.2 MNE_Roman
6.0 HRV_Roman
5.0 SRB_Roman
1.4 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

Among Serbs from southeastern Serbia is very weak influence of Middle Eastern Romans, and prevail Moeso-Romance locals:

Target: SerbianE
Distance: 1.4837% / 0.01483656
40.8 SRB_Roman
31.6% TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
21.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
4.8 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
1.2 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

Montenegrins, interesting, don't get Illyro-Romance, only Moesians. There is a Germanic influence as well.

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 0.7442% / 0.00744217
35.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
32.2 SRB_Roman
15.2 TUR_Marmara_Ilipnar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
12.2 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
4.2 SVN_Germanic
1.0 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

It is interesting relation of Pannonian and Anatolian Slav. Pannonian is the strongest among Slovenes, and Anatolian grows towards the east, although there are exceptions. I believe situation will be clearer when we get more early Slavic results.

......

Nikac also posted this models for Moldavians, and show that we are not so close to them as it seems from a surface without deeper analyses https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...0527#msg180527

Here is model for our "cousins" Moldavians.

Target: Moldavian
Distance: 0.6276% / 0.00627633
26.6 RUS_MA_Slavic
24.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
20.0 HUN_east_Late_Antiquity
12.4 TUR_Marmara_Ilipnar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
7.0 SRB_Roman
6.2 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
2.0 ROU_Ploesti_MA
1.0 IND_Roopkund_A

They definitely show stronger influence of medieval East Slavs, and Daco-Romance people. They also have small Roma (Gypsy) influence. Therefore, yet we can distinguish them from us, regardless we are mix of similar components in similar amounts.

Btw the biggest surprise here is lack of Illyrian DNA in Montenegrins. Germanic influence in Montenegrins is also interesting.

**Dušan** · 12-12-2022, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Varda

Nikac (Никац) posted at Poreklo ancient autosomal admixture for Serbs from 4 regions, i will translate his post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...0522#msg180522

Serbs from central, western Serbia and Vojvodina get: Slavs, Moeso-Romance (locals and Middle Eastern), Cumans in traces.

Target: SerbianW
Distance: 1.1457% / 0.01145683
34.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
28.6 SRB_Roman
26.2 TUR_Marmar_Ilipinar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
9.6 SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
1.2 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

Krajina and Bosnian Serbs have Illyro-Romance influence:

Target: SerbianK
Distance: 1.3198% / 0.01319822
36.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
23.8 TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
10.8 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
9.0 HRV_North_Roman
7.2 MNE_Roman
6.0 HRV_Roman
5.0 SRB_Roman
1.4 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

Among Serbs from southeastern Serbia is very weak influence of Middle Eastern Romans, and prevail Moeso-Romance locals:

Target: SerbianE
Distance: 1.4837% / 0.01483656
40.8 SRB_Roman
31.6% TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
21.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
4.8 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
1.2 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

Montenegrins, interesting, don't get Illyro-Romance, only Moesians. There is a Germanic influence as well.

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 0.7442% / 0.00744217
35.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
32.2 SRB_Roman
15.2 TUR_Marmara_Ilipnar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
12.2 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
4.2 SVN_Germanic
1.0 ROU_Ploesti_MA (Cuman)

It is interesting relation of Pannonian and Anatolian Slav. Pannonian is the strongest among Slovenes, and Anatolian grows towards the east, although there are exceptions. I believe situation will be clearer when we get more early Slavic results.

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Nikac also posted this models for Moldavians, and show that we are not so close to them as it seems from a surface without deeper analyses https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...0527#msg180527

Here is model for our "cousins" Moldavians.

Target: Moldavian
Distance: 0.6276% / 0.00627633
26.6 RUS_MA_Slavic
24.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
20.0 HUN_east_Late_Antiquity
12.4 TUR_Marmara_Ilipnar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
7.0 SRB_Roman
6.2 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
2.0 ROU_Ploesti_MA
1.0 IND_Roopkund_A

They definitely show stronger influence of medieval East Slavs, and Daco-Romance people. They also have small Roma (Gypsy) influence. Therefore, yet we can distinguish them from us, regardless we are mix of similar components in similar amounts.

I got Moesian and Thracian, not Ilyrian admix.

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.3842% / 0.01384190
35.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
34.0 TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
14.6 SRB_Roman
7.8 BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
4.0 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
2.8 ROU_Ploiesti_MA
1.6 MNE_Roman