Serbian autosomal DNA #2

[CommonSense]

Lika.

We already have have that kit and all the ones registered on that account. They're all from the same village - Zalužnica.

[Varda]

There seems to be an increased tendency among Dalmatians to score higher North Atlantic and West Med. At least compared to Serbs from nearby regions like Lika and Bosnia.

Maybe it's connected wit I1 haplogroup.

Post of Nebojša from Poreklo about y dna of Bukovica Serbs from February 2020 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukovica,_Croatia)
Bukovica, n=50
I2-Y3120 = 52% (PH908 32%)
I1-M253 = 14% (Z63 6% / Z58 4% / P109 2% / M227 2%)
E-V13 = 10%
J2b-M205 = 10%
N-P189.2 = 6%
R1b-M269 = 4%
R1a-Z280 = 2%
J1-M267 = 2%
His comment:
Bukovica is very important for the migration inside of Krajina. It's populated mostly from western Bosnia in late 17th century, little from Lika, and for sure there is a older families which moved inside of Dalmatia and they are present in Dalmatia since 16th century. Later population of Bukovica migrated towards the Lika and western Bosnia.
Differences from general genetic picture of Krajina are very low percentage of R1a, and very high percentage of I2. Bukovica might be one of the regions with highest I2-Y3120 among Serbs. Very widespread PH908 families celebrate Lučindan, Lazarevdan, Stevanjdan etc.
I1-M253 is very high as in other parts of Dalmatia. Again it's present in 4 branches.
E-V13 is about Krajina average.
J2b-M205 and N-P189.2 are above avarage as in rest of Krajina.

Since February 2020 has been published 10 new Bukovica Serb results, and it's similar.
Sample 60
I2a (29) - 48.4% (PH908 30%)
I1 (8) - 13.4%
N-P189.2 (5) - 8.3%
R1a (5) - 8.3%
E-V13 (5) - 8.3%
J2b-M205 (5) - 8.3%
R1b (2) - 3.3%
J1 (1) - 1.6%

[Ford]

These two are interesting

BalkanX,6.61,0.69,0,0,27.71,43.08,1.42,0,3.35,0,17.14,0
Ford,2.96,1.46,0.41,0,26.71,43,0,0,4.76,0.05,20.66,0

What's the BalkanX reference ?

[Varda]

User Radul from Poreklo, his origin is from Krivošije and Cetinje
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krivošije
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetinje

[Dušan]

New match from Gedmatch

Population
North_Atlantic 25.82 Pct
Baltic 31.67 Pct
West_Med 16.35 Pct
West_Asian 8.58 Pct
East_Med 13.09 Pct
Red_Sea 1.28 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.89 Pct
Amerindian 0.89 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.41 Pct




Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.85
2 Serbian 5.09
3 Croatian 5.78
4 Hungarian 7.19
5 Romanian 8.26
6 Bulgarian 10.37
7 Austrian 11.22
8 East_German 12.02
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.15
10 South_Polish 12.87
11 Ukrainian 13.3
12 Polish 16.41
13 Southwest_Russian 16.76
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.17
15 West_German 17.77
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.56
17 Estonian_Polish 18.98
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.04
19 South_Dutch 19.15
20 Belorussian 19.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.1% Romanian + 37.9% Ukrainian @ 1.84
2 59.6% Croatian + 40.4% Romanian @ 2.02
3 66.8% Ukrainian + 33.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.04
4 65.4% Croatian + 34.6% Bulgarian @ 2.12
5 65.7% Ukrainian + 34.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.13
6 60% Romanian + 40% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.15
7 85% Croatian + 15% South_Italian @ 2.19
8 78% Croatian + 22% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.2
9 74.4% Romanian + 25.6% Estonian @ 2.2
10 83.2% Croatian + 16.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.25
11 59.4% Moldavian + 40.6% Serbian @ 2.25
12 67.2% Romanian + 32.8% Polish @ 2.26
13 69.8% Ukrainian + 30.2% South_Italian @ 2.27
14 83% Croatian + 17% Central_Greek @ 2.28
15 70.4% Romanian + 29.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.3
16 69.6% Bulgarian + 30.4% Estonian @ 2.3
17 57.8% Southwest_Russian + 42.2% Tuscan @ 2.35
18 82.6% Croatian + 17.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.36
19 83.7% Croatian + 16.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.36
20 87.1% Croatian + 12.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.37

[CommonSense]

Father from Toplica (ancestors were settlers from Nikšić), mother from Plav:

Spoiler!

 Kit SK2869692

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1 	Baltic 	26.76
2 	North_Atlantic 	21.78
3 	West_Med 	19.34
4 	East_Med 	19.03
5 	West_Asian 	8.69
6 	Red_Sea 	1.94
7 	Amerindian 	1.27
8 	Oceanian 	0.72
9 	East_Asian 	0.47

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1 	Bulgarian 	4.12
2 	Romanian 	4.58
3 	Serbian 	6.6
4 	Moldavian 	10.75
5 	Greek_Thessaly 	11.6
6 	Croatian 	13.37
7 	Hungarian 	14.15
8 	North_Italian 	16.9
9 	Tuscan 	16.97
10 	Austrian 	17.18
11 	East_German 	18.68
12 	Italian_Abruzzo 	18.69
13 	Central_Greek 	18.77
14 	West_Sicilian 	19.54
15 	Ukrainian_Lviv 	19.73
16 	East_Sicilian 	19.94
17 	South_Polish 	20.67
18 	Ukrainian 	20.82
19 	Ashkenazi 	21.12
20 	West_German 	21.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source) 	Secondary Population (source) 	Distance
1	  	64.7%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	35.3%	Ukrainian 	@ 	2.65
2	  	53.8%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	46.2%	Croatian 	@ 	2.94
3	  	73.6%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	26.4%	Lithuanian 	@ 	2.95
4	  	69.9%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	30.1%	Estonian_Polish 	@ 	2.95
5	  	68%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	32%	Polish 	@ 	3.02
6	  	63.6%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	36.4%	Ukrainian_Lviv 	@ 	3.1
7	  	69.7%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	30.3%	Russian_Smolensk 	@ 	3.17
8	  	70.6%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	29.4%	Belorussian 	@ 	3.2
9	  	91%	Bulgarian 	+ 	9%	Estonian_Polish 	@ 	3.22
10	  	88.9%	Bulgarian 	+ 	11.1%	Ukrainian 	@ 	3.22
11	  	83.5%	Bulgarian 	+ 	16.5%	Croatian 	@ 	3.23
12	  	52.6%	Ukrainian 	+ 	47.4%	South_Italian 	@ 	3.26
13	  	92.6%	Bulgarian 	+ 	7.4%	Lithuanian 	@ 	3.26
14	  	68.1%	Croatian 	+ 	31.9%	Algerian_Jewish 	@ 	3.28
15	  	90.6%	Bulgarian 	+ 	9.4%	Polish 	@ 	3.28
16	  	91.5%	Bulgarian 	+ 	8.5%	Belorussian 	@ 	3.29
17	  	88.8%	Bulgarian 	+ 	11.2%	Ukrainian_Lviv 	@ 	3.3
18	  	64.7%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	35.3%	South_Polish 	@ 	3.31
19	  	73.5%	Greek_Thessaly 	+ 	26.5%	Estonian 	@ 	3.31
20	  	92.7%	Bulgarian 	+ 	7.3%	Estonian 	@ 	3.33

[Leto]

GEDmatch of this man who is an advisor at the UN Human Rights Office. He is a based in Paris and his wife appears to be Russian (also on GEDmatch if anyone's interested)

North_Atlantic 22.03 Pct
Baltic 30.67 Pct
West_Med 14.47 Pct
West_Asian 9.27 Pct
East_Med 15.72 Pct
Red_Sea 3.02 Pct
South_Asian 2.91 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.78 Pct
Oceanian 0.9 Pct
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.09
2 Moldavian 6.12
3 Romanian 7.29
4 Bulgarian 8.45
5 Croatian 8.9
6 Hungarian 10.84
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.58
8 Austrian 15
9 South_Polish 15.79
10 Ukrainian 15.93
11 East_German 15.97
12 Greek_Thessaly 16.58
13 Southwest_Russian 18.44
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.67
15 Polish 19
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.49
17 West_German 20.93
18 Estonian_Polish 20.97
19 Tatar 21.3
20 Belorussian 21.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.3% Greek_Thessaly + 44.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.04
2 61.2% Greek_Thessaly + 38.8% Lithuanian @ 2.07
3 51.8% Lithuanian + 48.2% South_Italian @ 2.17
4 52.7% Greek_Thessaly + 47.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.19
5 53% Greek_Thessaly + 47% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.2
6 52.5% Central_Greek + 47.5% Lithuanian @ 2.2
7 52.9% Estonian_Polish + 47.1% Central_Greek @ 2.24
8 51.4% East_Sicilian + 48.6% Lithuanian @ 2.25
9 57.8% Russian_Smolensk + 42.2% South_Italian @ 2.26
10 54.6% Russian_Smolensk + 45.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.26
11 83.7% Croatian + 16.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.29
12 55.9% Greek_Thessaly + 44.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.29
13 83.4% Croatian + 16.6% Samaritan @ 2.31
14 53.5% Russian_Smolensk + 46.5% Central_Greek @ 2.33
15 57.2% Estonian_Polish + 42.8% South_Italian @ 2.39
16 54.1% Estonian_Polish + 45.9% East_Sicilian @ 2.42
17 63.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 36.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.45
18 83.4% Croatian + 16.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.47
19 56.7% Greek_Thessaly + 43.3% Belorussian @ 2.52
20 72.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.6% Cyprian @ 2.57

[Arzanene]

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hard breakdown of the Serbian populations, separated into Slavic and Balkan.

[vbnetkhio]

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hard breakdown of the Serbian populations, separated into Slavic and Balkan.

not a very informative model. Early Slavs weren't like Sorbs, and pre-Slavic Balkanians weren't exactly like Albanians.

[Varda]

Of course Vojvodina was settled by Serbs before 1690.
First large Serbian settlements in Srem and southern Banat were formed in 15th century, when Ottomans conquered Serbian despotate.

After Mohač battle in 1526, when Ottomans conquered almost entire Pannonian basin, there was dominant Serbian population all across Srem, Banat and Bačka, in todays Vojvodina.
The best evidence of majority Serbian presence in todays Vojvodina in 16th century was Banat uprising in 1594.


I dont know how much of todays native Vojvodina Serbs have roots from these earlier settlers, and how much from great migration in 1690.
The fact is that Serbs are in Vojvodina way before 1690.

From one book of notable Serbian historian Vladimir Ćorović https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Ćorović

In 1480s there was many fight on the southern borders of Hungary and in Bosnia. The initiative was given almost equally by Serbian border guards and Turks. Despot Vuk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Grgurević) stood out in particular. In autumn 1481. despot Vuk defeated Turkish army of the Smederevo commander Skender bey, and he broke into Serbia all the way to Kruševac. Serbian chronicles record how he took away a lot of people from Kruševac area. He took away over 60 000 Serbs from Kruševac area, and devastated whole area. By order of Hungarian king those Serbs moved around Timişoara. Hungarian king in general wanted to inhabit the sparsely populated southern areas, and to strengthen Serbs on that side in order to be more capable for resistance. From 1478. to 1482. in Hungary settled about 200 000 Serbs, according to one of his statements. "In the order to bind immigrant Serbs as strongly as possible and get mew ones for migration, Hungarian parliament passes an act exempting Serbs from paying taxes (desetak) to the Catholic clergy."