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    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    For that Romanian_SW cluster of 3, I suppose you are using the 3 counties that border Serbia?
    If that's the case, here are the latest figures:

    Romania_Banat_Timis,23.03,25.76,17.62,11.02,17.37, 1.89,0.76,0.60,1.00,0.58,0.25,0.10,0.03
    Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin,23.48,25.61,17.93,10.12,17.74,2.11,0.26,0. 44,1.44,0.36,0.30,0.05,0.18
    Romania_Oltenia_Mehedinti,23.43,25.03,17.70,10.80, 17.97,2.06,0.71,0.97,0.45,0.39,0.44,0.03,0.01

    Location/Ethnicity Number of Samples N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
    Timis 27 23.03 25.76 17.62 11.02 17.37 1.89 0.76 0.60 1.00 0.58 0.25 0.10 0.03
    Caras-Severin 8 23.48 25.61 17.93 10.12 17.74 2.11 0.26 0.44 1.44 0.36 0.30 0.05 0.18



    Location/Ethnicity Number of Samples N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
    Mehedinti 16 23.43 25.03 17.70 10.80 17.97 2.06 0.71 0.97 0.45 0.39 0.44 0.03 0.01
    I used Banat, Oltenia and these unconfirmed (but very probable) Vlachs from Serbia.

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    Vlach_avg,23.71,26.49,18.49,8.95,17.78,1.71,0.87,0.40,0.46,0.39,0.59,0.03,0.18
    
    Vlach1,25.17,26.70,18.87,6.81,17.69,1.75,0.20,0.54,0.21,0.56,1.71,0.00,0.33
    Vlach2,25.59,27.28,19.03,6.84,17.11,0.00,2.30,0.27,0.98,0.00,0.60,0.00,0.00
    Vlach3,22.09,27.48,20.27,8.64,18.77,0.00,0.00,1.19,1.43,0.00,0.13,0.00,0.00
    Vlach4,21.26,26.38,19.71,13.31,15.83,2.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.29,0.00,0.25,0.70
    Vlach5,25.17,26.70,18.87,6.81,17.69,1.75,0.20,0.54,0.21,0.56,1.17,0.00,0.33
    Vlach6,23.10,21.98,18.88,11.09,19.55,2.22,1.43,0.00,0.00,1.51,0.24,0.00,0.00
    Vlach7,27.98,28.63,15.19,10.17,15.46,0.38,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.91,0.50,0.00,0.42
    Vlach8,22.34,26.03,17.69,7.82,19.23,2.64,2.18,0.00,1.43,0.10,0.54,0.00,0.00
    Vlach9,21.32,27.79,19.59,7.96,17.86,2.70,1.08,0.76,0.00,0.00,0.87,0.00,0.00
    Vlach10,23.10,25.91,16.83,10.03,18.57,3.38,0.94,0.74,0.33,0.00,0.17,0.00,0.00
    they look like Oltenia+Banat+ a little bit Serbian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    34 academic samples from Belgrade (actually recent sttlers from all regions.)
    the average turns out very similar to the one for central Serbia.

    Code:
    Serb_Serbia_Belgrade,24.63,28.28,16.75,9.19,16.83,1.77,0.32,0.34,0.72,0.48,0.48,0.14,0.07
    
    SerbianSerbia1,23.85,31.99,16.68,8.29,14.51,2.46,1.75,0.00,0.07,0.12,0.28,0.00,0.00
    SerbianSerbia10,22.40,24.90,18.50,10.78,18.85,2.45,0.00,0.00,1.64,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00
    SerbianSerbia11,32.83,25.22,15.54,10.19,12.78,1.61,0.00,0.09,0.96,0.74,0.00,0.00,0.00
    SerbianSerbia12,23.75,27.12,18.36,6.58,19.21,1.04,0.94,1.04,0.91,0.39,0.57,0.09,0.00
    SerbianSerbia16,23.03,30.75,15.57,9.11,17.94,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.67,0.26,1.32,0.35,0.00
    SerbianSerbia18,25.20,27.30,16.56,7.16,18.75,2.17,0.00,0.79,1.01,0.68,0.36,0.00,0.00
    SerbianSerbia19,24.72,30.80,16.20,6.70,16.83,2.34,0.74,0.00,0.00,1.44,0.25,0.00,0.00
    SerbianSerbia2,23.91,26.26,19.59,10.08,15.34,2.08,1.64,0.00,0.82,0.05,0.24,0.00,0.00
    SerbianSerbia3,23.85,29.91,15.93,9.22,17.53,1.55,0.34,0.84,0.66,0.00,0.18,0.00,0.00
    SerbianSerbia4,20.74,26.60,18.84,9.42,20.10,0.95,0.26,0.16,0.28,1.79,0.86,0.00,0.00
    SerbianSerbia5,24.56,25.23,18.49,10.55,18.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.81,0.88,0.99,0.38,0.00
    SerbianSerbia6,24.42,31.15,14.57,8.94,15.72,2.09,0.56,0.65,0.00,0.87,1.04,0.00,0.00
    SerbianSerbia7,23.71,28.05,17.76,9.21,17.80,0.19,0.00,0.00,1.34,0.00,1.28,0.14,0.51
    SerbianSerbia9,24.97,28.43,16.20,10.66,15.76,1.77,0.00,1.42,0.00,0.63,0.16,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_710,29.28,25.74,13.83,8.76,16.85,2.65,0.00,1.09,0.99,0.14,0.65,0.00,0.01
    Serbia_711,26.11,31.61,15.59,8.22,15.87,0.60,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.05,0.00,0.00,0.55
    Serbia_712,25.47,30.70,16.36,4.84,18.59,2.25,0.00,0.02,0.26,0.50,0.00,0.99,0.01
    Serbia_713,22.57,29.72,19.33,11.57,13.11,0.74,0.01,0.00,0.13,0.90,1.50,0.00,0.42
    Serbia_714,19.70,24.41,17.48,13.26,21.56,0.98,0.01,0.01,0.61,0.00,0.61,1.24,0.12
    Serbia_715,28.15,26.57,16.44,8.42,16.29,1.94,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.56,1.63,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_716,20.66,25.68,16.43,9.61,21.92,3.62,0.37,1.29,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.43,0.00
    Serbia_717,24.73,30.12,18.92,6.34,14.26,3.08,0.06,1.29,0.00,0.71,0.06,0.25,0.18
    Serbia_718,28.40,28.03,13.04,10.62,14.50,3.16,0.93,0.24,0.00,0.65,0.41,0.01,0.00
    Serbia_719,21.82,32.77,13.85,13.41,12.81,2.73,0.00,0.02,0.32,1.43,0.85,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_720,21.39,28.76,17.30,9.16,18.62,2.97,0.00,0.60,0.87,0.11,0.23,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_721,26.41,31.29,12.38,7.21,18.57,3.10,0.00,0.00,0.60,0.43,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_722,23.25,26.84,17.84,9.79,19.09,0.00,0.52,0.00,2.13,0.00,0.27,0.23,0.04
    Serbia_723,23.28,30.45,15.46,11.17,16.62,1.84,0.02,0.62,0.00,0.00,0.55,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_724,24.56,30.52,17.56,8.23,17.28,0.39,0.00,0.18,1.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_725,18.62,32.58,19.07,10.70,15.96,0.03,1.15,0.00,1.66,0.00,0.00,0.10,0.13
    Serbia_726,27.66,23.15,17.84,10.22,15.44,3.35,0.03,0.25,1.19,0.14,0.73,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_727,23.55,29.76,17.18,7.86,18.06,1.17,0.01,0.43,0.00,1.18,0.79,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_728,30.77,24.11,16.04,8.82,14.13,2.51,1.41,0.03,0.39,1.72,0.08,0.00,0.00
    Serbia_729,29.16,25.13,18.65,7.35,13.40,2.48,0.00,0.51,2.43,0.00,0.46,0.00,0.45
    Distance to: Serb_Serbia_Belgrade
    1.10950439 Serb_Herzegovina
    1.17362686 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
    1.34190164 Serb_Serbia_south
    1.53928555 Serb_Serbia_central
    2.14441134 Serb_Croatia_south
    2.66538928 Serb_Serbia_west
    3.07985389 Serb_Croatia_north
    3.69200488 Serb_Montenegro_South
    3.89073258 Serb_B&H_Krajina
    4.24511484 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_Proper

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    Regional averages on plot with European national averages.
    So homogeneous.

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    Distance: 2.0944% / 0.02094437
    60.0 Slavic:RUS_Sunghir_MA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Regional averages on plot with European national averages.
    So homogeneous.

    Montenegrins/Serbs of Montenegro are some kind of aliens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Montenegrins/Serbs of Montenegro are some kind of aliens.
    Our brothers with some extra paleo-Balkan admixure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Our brothers with some extra paleo-Balkan admixure.
    By Serbian spirit they are no1 Serbs.

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    The parts of Montenegro that have a lot of Vlach ancestry are also the ones where the Serbian ethnic identity is the strongest. Cetinje and Nikšić are more Slavic, not just autosomally, but also by Y-DNA, yet most people there have been brainwashed by Milo's docleanist ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    By Serbian spirit they are no1 Serbs.
    Yes don’t mess with Highland clans. I1-P109 = heroic ydna


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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    The parts of Montenegro that have a lot of Vlach ancestry are also the ones where the Serbian ethnic identity is the strongest. Cetinje and Nikšić are more Slavic, not just autosomally, but also by Y-DNA, yet most people there have been brainwashed by Milo's docleanist ideology.
    In Nikšić milogorstvo declining in the last time.
    Cetinje and Kutunska nahija are different. In that part milogorstvo and Duklja ustashian ideology are born and still are very strong.

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