Originally Posted by
TeutonicBoyars
Bros, I'm looking at a map of Europe as we speak and I just can't figure out why Ireland, a homogenous nation safe from land invasions has made absolutely little to no impact on world history. No great inventions, no empires, always the colonized rather than the colonizers. Nearly all comprehensive IQ tests give them the lowest average IQ in Northwestern Europe, and one of the lowest IQs in Europe in general. The "Celtic Tiger" is the result of British/EU investment, and even today wealth is being squandered and we can only guess when Ireland will revert to the desolate wasteland it is always destined to be. Remember, if you confiscate an Irishman's potatoes, you might as well be committing genocide.
The Irish are an inferior Celtic race. The Scots are not really 'Celtic' they are Celto-Germanic or even simply Germanic in the lowlands. The reason why you don't hear so much about 'Irish inferiority' nowadays is because the WASPs changed their focus from the 'Irish' onto the other nations of immigrants to America i.e. Southern Europeans and Slavics. The 'irish' are more assimilable e.g. you can mix an Irishman with a German woman and then mix the resulting offspring with an English person and get a kind of generic somewhat-offish middle English type.
BTW, this is not about me but since I have an Irish hiberno-norman name , which I hate, I feel the need to share my following DNA results :
Davidski's G25 closest modern populations :
Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02865262 West_and_Central_Europe: Dutch
0.02966312 Scandanavian:Norwegian
0.03097093 British_Isles:Welsh
0.03128912 British_Isles:Irish
0.03153596 British_Isles:Scottish
0.03173767 British_Isles:English
0.03424261 British_Isles:English_Cornwall
0.03738947 West_and_Central_Europe:German
0.03825792 Scandanavian:Swedish
0.03928185 West_and_Central_Europe:Belgian
0.04385265 West_and_Central_Europe:French_Nord
0.04392491 West_and_Central_Europe:French_Paris
0.04724802 West_and_Central_Europe:French_Alsace
0.04744540 West_and_Central_Europe:Austrian
0.04923277 West_and_Central_Europe:Swiss_German
Eurogenes K15 :
Distance : 2.10
81.60% England
07.20% Dutch
07.00% Norway
01.40% Chuvash
Least-squares method.
Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% England @ 2.921
2 100% Dutch @ 3.148
3 100% Scotland @ 4.029
4 100% Southwest_English @ 4.219
5 100% Southeast_English @ 4.350
6 100% North_Dutch @ 4.705
7 100% West_Scottish @ 5.159
8 100% Irish @ 5.164
9 100% Orcadian @ 5.529
10 100% North_German @ 6.022
My Y-DNA is Scottish/Irish or at least Welsh, btw. Some people in real life say I actually look Scottish but no one has ever said I look Irish.
Originally Posted by
TeutonicBoyars
It wouldn't be so perplexing if Scotland wouldn't be so perplexing if Scotland, which is separated by a tiny body of water and considered to be a "culturally kindred" nation has managed to completely eclipse its Celtic brother in pretty much every way. Though they haven't had an empire of their very own, Scots and their diaspora have made tremendous impacts on the world that is totally out of proportion to their general population. Scotland also shared a land border with mighty, "oppressive" England unlike Ireland but has still managed to score impressive victories for their people in all aspects of human endeavor. Meanwhile, Ireland has a huge diaspora but everywhere they went they were considered universally undesirable (unless they were getting shipped off to Australia to do work in a prison camp, so the regrettably criminal but more intellectually sturdy Britons could have a break). Paradoxically, Irish and their diaspora are some of the most obnoxiously patriotic and proud people, despite literally having nothing to warrant those feelings; in fact it should be the opposite.
People are 100 times more eager to identify as 'Irish' nowadays than Scottish especially Americans :
A most important obstacle in civilised countries to an increase in the number of men of a superior class has been strongly insisted on by Mr. Greg and Mr. Galton (19. 'Fraser's Magazine,' Sept. 1868, p. 353. 'Macmillan's Magazine,' Aug. 1865, p. 318. The Rev. F.W. Farrar ('Fraser's Magazine,' Aug. 1870, p. 264) takes a different view.), namely, the fact that the very poor and reckless, who are often degraded by vice, almost invariably marry early, whilst the careful and frugal, who are generally otherwise virtuous, marry late in life, so that they may be able to support themselves and their children in comfort. Those who marry early produce within a given period not only a greater number of generations, but, as shewn by Dr. Duncan (20. 'On the Laws of the Fertility of Women,' in 'Transactions of the Royal Society,' Edinburgh, vol. xxiv. p. 287; now published separately under the title of 'Fecundity, Fertility, and Sterility,' 1871. See, also, Mr. Galton, 'Hereditary Genius,' pp. 352-357, for observations to the above effect.), they produce many more children. The children, moreover, that are borne by mothers during the prime of life are heavier and larger, and therefore probably more vigorous, than those born at other periods. Thus the reckless, degraded, and often vicious members of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the provident and generally virtuous members. Or as Mr. Greg puts the case: "The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits: the frugal, foreseeing, self-respecting, ambitious Scot, stern in his morality, spiritual in his faith, sagacious and disciplined in his intelligence, passes his best years in struggle and in celibacy, marries late, and leaves few behind him. Given a land originally peopled by a thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts—and in a dozen generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that remained. In the eternal 'struggle for existence,' it would be the inferior and LESS favoured race that had prevailed—and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its faults."--- Charles Darwin
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2300/2300-h/2300-h.htm
Who formed the first literate society? Who invented our modern ideas of democracy and free market capitalism? The Scots. As historian and author Arthur Herman reveals, in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries Scotland made crucial contributions to science, philosophy, literature, education, medicine, commerce, and politics—contributions that have formed and nurtured the modern West ever since.
Herman has charted a fascinating journey across the centuries of Scottish history. Here is the untold story of how John Knox and the Church of Scotland laid the foundation for our modern idea of democracy; how the Scottish Enlightenment helped to inspire both the American Revolution and the U.S. Constitution; and how thousands of Scottish immigrants left their homes to create the American frontier, the Australian outback, and the British Empire in India and Hong Kong.
How the Scots Invented the Modern World reveals how Scottish genius for creating the basic ideas and institutions of modern life stamped the lives of a series of remarkable historical figures, from James Watt and Adam Smith to Andrew Carnegie and Arthur Conan Doyle, and how Scottish heroes continue to inspire our contemporary culture, from William “Braveheart” Wallace to James Bond.
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Originally Posted by
TeutonicBoyars
Ok, aside from the harsh jests, I srsly want to know what accounts for this meager output of excellence within Ireland compared to other Europeans, especially neighboring ones. I do like Ireland and it's landscape/culture, but I know nothing about Irish history, so I would honestly like to understand the reason. Is it the hajnal line? I don't think so because Austria is also outside the hajnal line but for a long time was more prestigious than it's northern German brothers and boasts brilliant individuals. And no, I don't want to hear about some "famous" Irish "poet" or "inventor" that some Irish diaspora spouts about to cope with the seethe. I don't care to read an essay or book by some butthurt Irish-Murican about how Irish monks "saved" civilization. I want a tangible discussion with good points that could account for these sad shortcomings from the green island.
Watch out many people who claim to be Irish and seem to be no low-IQ are actually not Irish at all but American and Australian. Some of the Americans half Irish and half German so on and so forth etc...
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