Kazakh DNA

[qylymla]

Why is it important how many % of you are Mongolian? Turks are mongol or what?

[Leto]

Their homeland was East of Pazyryk after all. If they are migrated from that location, how they ended up having no native signal(received 0% Sogd/Wusun when modeled with the mentioned populations)

Do you have confirmed Sogdian samples?

[Kaspias]

I don't believe that kyrgyz are 65% mongolic. They are oldest known turkic tribe and quite different from modern day mongols autosomally. And they have 50-60% R1a which came from Siberia (Minusinks valley).

Sen Manası okudun ba? Karakıtaylıktar onları zorladı. I see your point from a historical point of view, though.

[Kaspias]

Do you have confirmed Sogdian samples?

No, only those who infiltrated among Medieval Uygurs, also TUK001.

[Visitor_22]

Sen Manası okudun ba? Karakıtaylıktar onları zorladı. I see your point from a historical point of view, though.

Sorry. But I don't believe that kyrgyz are 65% Mongolic.

They have the same high % of R1a with Altai, Khakas, Minusink valley people. They are also not very different from kazakhs by autosomes. 60% is just hard to believe.

[Kaspias]

Sorry. But I don't believe that kyrgyz are 65% Mongolic.

They have the same high % of R1a with Altai, Khakas, Minusink valley people. They are also not very different from kazakhs by autosomes. 60% is just hard to believe.

Well, going with autosomes 60% is definitely what they should be. Note Kazakhs have 40% also. However, I speculated it as well, Medieval Kirgiz simply could be more Asian than the other Turkic groups.

[Komintasavalta]

in supplementary data of y-DNA studies and public FTDNA projects.

for example, here's for haplogroup N

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...one.0066102#s6 (in the "Table S2")
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5005449/ (the mmc4.xslx file)

projects:
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

I tried plotting the data from Ilumäe et al. 2016 (in the second link), but I don't know if I did it right, because the clustering doesn't make much sense. Anyway, the heatmap became too long because there's too many different Y-STR haplotypes.

So Northern Russians are supposed to have 6% D. That's quite a bit. But then again, if they used the super isolated and far Northern pops like Pinega I wouldn't be surprised.

Yeah, they said that the North Russian samples were from the White Sea. Karelians also had 5% mtDNA D and Komis had 4%.

Nah. Kazakhs are closer to kyrgyz and karakalpaks than uzbeks by autosomal results. Uzbeks are closer to uyghurs and hazaras.

Yeah. I just did ADMIXTURE runs of modern Eurasian samples in the 1240K+HO dataset. Here's the run at K=4. Each population is connected with a line to its three nearest neighbors, which for Kazakhs are Kyrgyz_Tajikstan, Kyrgyz_Kyrgyzstan, and Karakalpak.

In order to travel from Kazakhs to Mongols, you can take the path Kazakh -> Karakalpak -> Shor_Mountain -> Khakass -> Altaian -> Evenk_FarEast -> Kalmyk -> Mongol.



It's interesting how there's such a huge genetic gap around the Gobi-Taklamakan desert. It's not really bridged by Salars because they have too much East Asian ancestry. But it's partially bridged by Chinese Kazakhs and Chinese Kyrgyzes. And maybe it would be bridged by some Uyghur-Chinese mixes.

I don't know what the heck the population named "Mongola" is suppose to be, but its location is set as China, so I guess they are Inner Mongolian Mongols. However they are also genetically so East Asian that they are closer to Japanese than to Daur in the run above.

In the image above, the clustering and lines to the nearest neighbors are based on a combined matrix of ADMIXTURE runs at different K values. In a distance matrix calculated based on the combined matrix, the closest neighbors of Kazakhs are these:

.154 Kyrgyz_Tajikistan
.196 Kyrgyz_Kyrgyzstan
.297 Karakalpak
.329 Nogai_Astrakhan
.388 Tubalar
.430 Kyrgyz_China
.433 Kazakh_China
.438 Hazara
.449 Shor_Mountain
.452 Nogai_Stavropol
.455 Uyghur
.458 Shor_Khakassia
.468 Altaian
.480 Kalmyk
.489 Khakass_Kachin
.521 Khakass
.533 Altaian_Chelkan
.534 Tatar_Siberian
.572 Even
.613 Evenk_FarEast
.633 Mongol
.650 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
.653 Tuvinian
.692 Uzbek
.721 Yukagir_Forest
.724 Mansi
.738 Buryat
.783 Bashkir
.786 Khamnegan
.787 Selkup
.798 Turkmen
.839 Ket

[Leto]

Yeah, they said that the North Russian samples were from the White Sea. Karelians also had 5% mtDNA D and Komis had 4%.

Do you happen to know where those Tajiks are from? I'm interested in the Y DNA. Still don't understand whether R1a is high or low in TJK.

[qylymla]

Why are you tormented? If haplogroups are a false invention?

[Sora]

Hi, @Kaspias abi!

Could you post the Kirgiz DA86 sample? I wondered it so much