Immigration discrimination based on country of origin/race is NOT immoral

**~~JamesBond007~~** · 02-13-2021, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Supercomputer

What about atheists/agnostics?

Good question I'd have to say no only because it would allow certain groups to sneak under the radar. Atheists might be allowed but they have to swear to being 'culturally protestant' or something ,maybe, I dunno, I have not thought this through , yet.

**reboun** · 02-13-2021, 01:27 PM

I don’t agree. What would you in a case of Iranian atheist? Would you disallow him-her to migrate to a Western and a secular country just because he-she is of non-Western origin? Do you think he-she should give up his-her beliefs just because of his-her origin? If your answer is yes, then let us end the discussion and do not reply each other anymore.

By the way, being and atheist in Iran is forbidden by law, as far as I know.

**~~JamesBond007~~** · 02-13-2021, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by aruncaz

I don’t agree. What would you in a case of Iranian atheist? Would you disallow him-her to migrate to a Western and a secular country just because he-she is of non-Western origin? Do you think he-she should give up his-her beliefs just because of his-her origin? If your answer is yes, then let us end the discussion and do not reply each other anymore.

By the way, being and atheist in Iran is forbidden by law, as far as I know.

Sorry, I think I'll take a cue from Israel and make a Protestant cultural holy land. For instance, in England it is impossible for a Catholic to be King or Queen. You have to understand humans are pitiable and not advanced enough for me to sanction things otherwise. Unless you want to exterminate everyone under about 130 IQ or so ,which I can't endorse, you have to accept the reality of how the average human functions in the geopolitical north. I'd have to say no to the Iranian atheist.

**reboun** · 02-13-2021, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by JamesBond007

Sorry, I think I'll take a cue from Israel and make a Protestant cultural holy land. For instance, in England it is impossible for a Catholic to be King or Queen. You have to understand humans are pitiable and not advanced enough for me to sanction things otherwise. Unless you want to exterminate everyone under about 130 IQ or so ,which I can't endorse, you have to accept the reality of how the average human functions in the geopolitical north. I'd have to say no to the Iranian atheist.

You always have the right to not get in communication with an Iranian atheist. Nobody would force you to become his-her friend. You can simply avoid getting involved with him-her.

**~~gixajo~~** · 02-13-2021, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by JamesBond007

Sorry, I think I'll take a cue from Israel and make a Protestant cultural holy land. For instance, in England it is impossible for a Catholic to be King or Queen. You have to understand humans are pitiable and not advanced enough for me to sanction things otherwise. Unless you want to exterminate everyone under about 130 IQ or so ,which I can't endorse, you have to accept the reality of how the average human functions in the geopolitical north. I'd have to say no to the Iranian atheist.

In Spain the only mainly protestan group are gypsies.

We can send you all if you like Protestants so much.

**Supercomputer** · 02-13-2021, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by aruncaz

I don’t agree. What would you in a case of Iranian atheist? Would you disallow him-her to migrate to a Western and a secular country just because he-she is of non-Western origin? Do you think he-she should give up his-her beliefs just because of his-her origin? If your answer is yes, then let us end the discussion and do not reply each other anymore.

By the way, being and atheist in Iran is forbidden by law, as far as I know.

This is precisely what I'm talking about. You come with an attitude that denying someone immigration right is inherently immoral. It isn't. There's no such thing as a right to immigrate. Immigration isn't a human right. I can be friends with an Iranian atheist when I visit his country, but that does not mean I would allow millions of people like him into my country.

And I am not saying that banning everyone of certain race is a smart/practical way of doing it. A small number of people of different origin/culture can be even beneficial. It's just that the majority group should never be on a path of becoming a minority in their country.

**reboun** · 02-13-2021, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Supercomputer

This is precisely what I'm talking about. You come with an attitude that denying someone immigration right is inherently immoral. It isn't. There's no such thing as a right to immigrate. Immigration isn't a human right. I can be friends with an Iranian atheist when I visit his country, but that does not mean I would allow millions of people like him into my country.

And I am not saying that banning everyone of certain race is a smart/practical way of doing it. A small number of people of different origin/culture can be even beneficial. It's just that the majority group should never be on a path of becoming a minority in their country.

I also think immigration is a privilege rather than being a right. However, if someone’s cultural values or religious beliefs are not consistent with the people pf his-her own ethnicity, this is a valid reason and enough reason to immigrate. Rather than a race-based society with cultural conflicts in it, I would prefer a society which has common cultural values but not based on race or racial purity.

**Supercomputer** · 02-13-2021, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by aruncaz

I also think immigration is a privilege rather than being a right. However, if someone’s cultural values or religious beliefs are not consistent with the people pf his-her own ethnicity, this is a valid reason and enough reason to immigrate. Rather than a race-based society with cultural conflicts in it, I would prefer a society which has common cultural values but not based on race or racial purity.

The problem with that would be that millions of people across the world would claim to be outcasts and different from their cultures just to get in. Similarly how they claim they are persecuted now.

**reboun** · 02-13-2021, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Supercomputer

The problem with that would be that millions of people across the world would claim to be outcasts and different from their cultures just to get in. Similarly how they claim they are persecuted now.

It is already not an easy task to migrate from a less-developed country to a more-developed one. Any person might be willing to have the passport of a country and it is not something to be shamed. As I said before to another member, a person does not have to be intimate with all of his-her compatriots.