Hungarians: Did you get vaccinated?

[Jaromir]

he chose wrong enemies, better Iberian Moors, but anyway- nice topic, I am eating pierogi

[Blondie]

Hungarians: Did you get vaccinated?

Only one user voted and he is bulgarian

[Universe]

So, you are better specialist on Rethelism, than me?

Whether I know more or less about Rethelism than you is irrelevant. Even if I know less, it doesn't mean people are agreeing with you or that I was wrong.

Which are?

If you don't remember, read this thread and read the other threads where you talked about about hungarians, haplogroups, identity etc. I won't link them one by one. You know well what you said in the past.

You have a habit of lying and denying things that you previously stated. In one thread you denied you were hateful towards non-R haplogroups, but then in another thread you said "Churchill was I1? So that is why so many Brits hate him!".

99.99% of Hungarians wouldn't support your ideas. Agreeing with you that hungarians are mixed that doesn't mean they support your other opinions ie "Half of hungarians shouldn't speak hungarian". Get over it.
I also agree that hungarians are mixed, but you wouldn't claim I am a supporter of Rethelism.

Nope.
I already was explaining this to you so many times, but you do not listen.

So what's your point? That hungarians are mixed and that in the past some Slavs, Germans etc got hungarianized? Congrats on that revolutionary breakthrough. The thing is, that wasn't your initial claim.

[Universe]

I don't get it. If you are not talking about genetics, what is your justification for your proposed "reindoeuropeanization" of Hungarians? You said (I quote): they shouldn't "pretend to be Ugrofinians from Manchuria, becasue they are not." This is an obvious hint at their mixed genetics. You're not being consistent in your arguments when you pretend to not speak about genetics. Because you do. And the way I see it, this is even your main point in questioning the identity of Hungarians. And as I said, genetics are not completely unimportant (also for me), but I just feel that you're taking your conclusions and proposals too far.

No surprise there, it's typical Rethel. He says certain things then he denies them, if you point that out that he will claim we don't understand him.

There is nothing wrong in stating however the genetics of Hungarians.

No one had a problem with him stating the genetics of Hungarians. He simply imagined that/lied.

Initially he said outlandish stuff like "Half of Hungarians shouldn't speak hungarian" (and tried to justify that statement) and "only 3% of hungarians are real ones", implying 97% are fake ones on account of y-dna, so in other words he was trying to determine ethnicity by y-dna, but he denies that as well.

Now he's trying to change the debate to "Hungarians mixed with others in the past" and claimed I was trying to deny we are mixed, even though I never did that and the debate wasn't about that initially.

[Rethel]

If you don't remember, read this thread and read the other threads where you talked about about hungarians, haplogroups, identity etc. I won't link them one by one. You know well what you said in the past.

I know, what I said, but I don't know what are these ten things which you have in mind.

You have a habit of lying and denying things that you previously stated.

No. I didn't deny anything. Your imagination about what I have said is just wrong. I tried to explain this to you, even I tired by small steps, but you on every try of explanation don't listen and know better what should be said. And if even this case with Pannonia didn't show you this, then I can't help you.

In one thread you denied you were hateful towards non-R haplogroups, but then in another thread you said "Churchill was I1? So that is why so many Brits hate him!".

Yea sure... the sense of humour isn't your strong side either.

99.99% of Hungarians wouldn't support your ideas.

This 0,01% is worthy of repeating on and on the same.

Agreeing with you that hungarians are mixed that doesn't mean they support your other opinions ie "Half of hungarians shouldn't speak hungarian". Get over it.

And you again are creating fictional statements of mine. Why? To have fictional victories in your own mind?

I also agree with that, but you wouldn't claim I am a support of Rethelism.

From this, and from previous statement, it is clear, you have no idea what you are talking about.
If I agree with somebody, that Rome was an empire, and that there lived many semitic slaves - what it has to do with Rethelism in your imagination? What? Does it support rethelism or contradict it? You make some totaly abstract conclusions, and on this you build your imaginery rethel.

So what's your point? That hungarians are mixed and that in the past some Slavs, Germans etc got hungarianized? Congrats on that revolutionary breakthrough. The thing is, that wasn't your initial claim.

Ok, I have enugh to discuss with your imaginery statements of mine.
I will answer you, when* you understand, that I do not claim that hg
determine whatever you think I said it does. Actually (it will probably
shock you): there is no need for genetics at all. Now — having this in
mind — read what I am saying, and maybe one day you'll get it.


*Maybe with the exeption of these 10 things.

[Universe]

I know, what I said, but I don't know what are these ten things which you have in mind.

I didn't count them, I meant that figuratively not literally. My point was just becase people agree with you on ONE thing ("Hungarians are mixed") that doesn't mean they agree with everything you say/ support your world view.
That's why I said Blondie agreeing with you didn't support what you said : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7173393

She agreed with you on that one thing, but she didn't agree with your original arguments("hungarians a fake nation", "half of them should be IE-ized" etc), you just made the debate about "hungarians are mixed" for some reason, even though the fact that hungarians are mixed doesn't support or justify the things you said originally.

No. I didn't deny anything. Your imagination about what I have said is just wrong. I tried to explain this to you, even I tired by small steps, but you on every try of explation, don't listen, and know better what should be said. And if even this case with Pannonia didn't showed you this, then I can't help you.

It isn't about pannonia, but my point about Pannonia was that it's more accurate to call hungarians as hungarians and I maintain I'm right about that.

Yea sure... the sense of humour isn't your strong side either.

If I say Nick Vujicic was born without limbs because he is R1, will you take that as humor or as something offensive?

This 0,01% is worthy of repeating on and on the same.

Most likely much less than 0.01% of all hungarians, I was being generous with that.
In this forum no hungarian would agree with you, so it is 0% on this forum, so yeah, keep repeating it and have fun talking to a wall.

And you again are creating fictional statements of mine. Why? To have fictional victories in your own mind?

What fictional statement did I create? You didn't say that literally, but that's what your post boiled down to. "Hungarians with R1a/R1b haplogroup should be linguistically indo europeanized" means "Half of them shouldn't speak hungarian". You are just nitpicking.

From this, and from previous statement, it is clear, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I do have an idea though.

If I agree with somebody, that Rome was an empire, and that there lived many semitic slaves - what it has to do with Rethelism in your imagination? What? Does it support rethelism or contradict it? You make some totaly abstract conclusions, and on this you build your imaginery rethel.

That's my point as well.

Ok, I have enugh to discuss with your imaginery statements of mine.
I will answer you, when* you understand, that I do not claim that hg
determine whatever you think I said it does. Actually (it will probably
shock you): there is no need for genetics at all. Now — having this in
mind — read what I am saying, and maybe one day you'll get it.

That wasn't a "imaginary statement", that was a question. I asked if that was your point. You made some absurd claims (ie "half of hungarians should be indo europeanized") and tried to justify those statements, then you made the debate about "hungarians are mixed" as if anyone denied hungarians were mixed and as if you discovered something new, only to make it look like you were right the whole time.

So I ask again, what was the point you were trying to make? None?

You didn't address half of the points I made in this thread anyway, so this is not something new. Most of the time you just replied with a couple of one liners (if you replied at all) and you lied about me (ie "I think hungarianization is good", "I deny hungarians are mixed", "I don't like history", "I don't know history", "I am offended by everything I don't agree with" etc etc)

And yes, you wanted to determine ethnicity/idenity by haplogroup, why deny it suddenly? You made that clear previously when you said 3% of hungarian are real ones, the ones with r1 hg should stop being hungarian and return to their indo-european roots etc. You also said people with hungarian identity are today hungarian citizens, implying they aren't ethnically so etc.

Ok, y-dna isn't important for you, let's believe that is true. Then I say patrilineal descent doesn't determine ethnicity/race/identity, it never did. If it did, it wasn't the one and only factor. Otherwise 97% of hungarians wouldn't identify as hungarian, because they don't have finno-ugric, "original hungarian" lineages so at one point their ancestors became hungarian without being paternally hungarian. Your patrilineal descent theory is fantasy, just like your y-dna theory.

[Rethel]

It isn't about pannonia,

Yes, it is. You made a big deal about it. You showed, that you'll say anything, to contradict me, even if you have deny your own country and civilisation. The other explanation is that you showed your ignorance. So, there is hard to get to some agreement with you, if the only thing which you are interested in, is your own thoughts and being right, even if you do not know what you are talking about, or you contratict on purpose.

but my point about Pannonia was that it's more accurate to call hungarians

No, it wans;t the case. You can't even acklowledge, that you was wrong. So any disscussion
is pointless, because you allready are right, and you never admit that you are wrong.

If I say Nick Vujicic was born without limbs because he is R1, will you take that as humor or as something offensive?

As stupidity — the same as this comparision between Prime Minister and a guy who has physical dissability.
Yea, you have no sense of humour at all.

What fictional statement did I create?

Can't count. Disscussion with you equals constant explaining what was not said, then you build on this another things which
have to be explained, becasue you do not listen or understand, or won't admit that you don't know or that you're wrong. In
the result, at the end, you don't even know, what the disscussion was about.

And now you can automatically respond the same as always, not paying attention to what I said.

What are these ten things which you mentioned? I am still waiting.

[Hektor12]

Only one user voted and he is bulgarian

My friend got vac last week, not old, lives in Budapest.

[Benyzero]

My friend got vac last week, not old, lives in Budapest.

Maybe he is old

[Hektor12]

Maybe he is old

20's, as old.