Hungarians: Did you get vaccinated?

[Rethel]

What she said doesn't support what I think you said though.

Repaird.

[Universe]

Repaird.

She even thumbed me up when I disagreed with you.

1) I never denied hungarians are mixed, you keep repeating that lie, I don't know why, maybe because you're incapable of making proper arguments? You also act as if you invented something new and genius when you're saying "but in the past some slavs and Germans got hungarinized". No one ever said the opposite.

2) I was never offended by "everything that I don't agree with". I just care about what is right and true.

3) That she agrees that Hungarians are mixed and descend from Slavs, Germans, Paleo balkanites etc etc that doesn't mean she agrees with everything you said. She agreed with you on one thing out of the ten things you claimed. By the way, I also agree that Hungarians have various origins and only a little proto-Hungarian ancestry, I don't see anything special about that.

4) Point 3) is irrelevant because it doesn't support Rethelism. Just because Hungarians are mixed that doesn't justify your y-dna racism in any way. Nor does it mean that Hungarians with R1a/R1b hg shouldn't speak hungarian, that hungarians are fake ethnicity, nor does it mean that 97% of hungarians aren't hungarian ethnically but only by citizenship. It doesn't mean one can become hungarian only through patrilineal descent.

5) She even said many hungarians (like Kossuth/Košút) became hungarians despite not being paternally hungarian, but sure, she supports your y-dna movement.

[Rethel]

She even thumbed me up

Ok, then be happy. You have what to live for

p.s. when you will understand, that I do not claim that hg determine nationality, then I will start to read what you have wrote.
When you get it, tell me, but until that, it is really a waste of your time to write such long answers, as I do not read them fully.

[Universe]

Ok, then be happy. You have what to live for

p.s. when you will understand, that I do not claim that hg determine nationality, then I will start to read what you have wrote.
When you get it, tell me, but until that,

It don't live for thumbs up, but it shows which of us she agreed with more. That you agreed on one thing out of the many that doesn't mean she's in favor of Rethelism/y-dna tardism.
You didn't say y-dna/patrilineal determined nationality - that's correct. Instead, you claimed it determined ethnicity and identity, which it in reality doesn't determine.

it is really a waste of your time to write such long answers, as I do not read them fully.

A way to avoid addressing the points I made, I guess.

[Rethel]

It don't live for thumbs up, but it shows which of us she agreed with more. That you agreed on one thing out of the many that doesn't mean she's in favor of Rethelism/y-dna tardism.

You have problems... really...

Instead of being thrilled which whom shee agreed more, it would better, if you would get why I did agree with her this time. It would be much more beneficial.

You didn't say y-dna/patrilineal determined nationality - that's correct.

I meant in geneal, not this particular time.

Instead, you claimed it determined ethnicity and identity, which it in reality doesn't determine.

Also no.

[Blondie]

[Universe]

You have problems... really...
Instead of being thrilled which whom shee agreed more, it would better, if you would get why I did agree with her this time. It would be much more beneficial.

I explained in post #82 why your agreement doesn't support Rethelism. By the way I also agree that hungarians are mixed, so this agreement is meaningless. You are also agreeing with me on this one thing (out of the ten things you stated).

Also no.

Yes.
Or now you want to change your mind?
If it doesn't determine ethnicity and identity, then what are you arguing about? What's your point? You always said patrilineal descent and by extension y-dna determined identity and ethnicity.

[Laly]

Moreover, the idea that only a vaccine can cure an relatively benign illness like a coronavirus is a pure lie. There's ton of alternative, cheaper, less dangerous solutions but that are always denigrated and discarded.

Yes, this denial of treatments is scandalous.

[Rethel]

I explained in post #82 why your agreement doesn't support Rethelism

So, you are better specialist on Rethelism, than me?

(out of the ten things you stated).

Which are?

Or now you want to change your mind?

Nope.

If it doesn't determine ethnicity and identity, then what are you arguing about?

I allready was explaining this to you so many times, but you do not listen.

[rero]

Im just gonna point out the main point here in my eyes.

Again: I didn't say anything about genetics, yet you are disscussing with this, as if I would say so.

I don't get it. If you are not talking about genetics, what is your justification for your proposed "reindoeuropeanization" of Hungarians? You said (I quote): they shouldn't "pretend to be Ugrofinians from Manchuria, becasue they are not." This is an obvious hint at their mixed genetics. You're not being consistent in your arguments when you pretend to not speak about genetics. Because you do. And the way I see it, this is even your main point in questioning the identity of Hungarians. And as I said, genetics are not completely unimportant (also for me), but I just feel that you're taking your conclusions and proposals too far. There is nothing wrong in stating however the genetics of Hungarians.

Every hungarian knows that geneticaly hungarians are descedants of slavs, germans, pannonians, balkanites, only some ultra nationalist claims that they arrived with nomads, but everyone laugh at them, this is just a tiny minority. Belonging to hungarian nation is absolute not genetically thing, there is an expression in Hungary: the language determine the nation. If you see the hungarian history tons of famous hungarian have foreign origin, the poet Petőfi (Petrovic) was originally serbian, the revolutionist Kossuth was half slav half german etc, and nobody cares about their ethnic background, everyone accepted them hungarian. To be honest adopting the hungarian identity was supported by the elite very much, that's called magyarization. In the medieval age everyone had "hungarus" identity instead of slavic, which means someone from Hungary, and every nationality adopted this identity as their own. So a medieval slovak considered himself "hungarus" instead of slavic or slovak, this identity was changed after the national awakening since 18-19. century.

I understand. Language has always been an important factor of unifying people of different ancestral backgrounds (or similar tribes) into one state. Language thus was not only important for self-identitifcation but also to gain (political) power as a unified state is much more potent and powerful as some scattered tribes over a defined territory. In the case of Hungary, being in a mixing zone of various tribes/people with different background this has led to the genetic variation we see today.