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    Default Poll: do you agree with Huntington's civilizations map?

    If not, why?


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    Uruguay and Argentina are Western. Greece too.

    Baltic countries, Hungary, Croatia etc are Eastern.

    Basically a rare map that mixes religion with civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Uruguay and Argentina are Western. Greece too.

    Baltic countries, Hungary, Croatia etc are Eastern.

    Basically a rare map that mixes religion with civilization.
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    Outdated concept belongs to cold war era.

    Here you have current civilizations map


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Uruguay and Argentina are Western. Greece too.

    Baltic countries, Hungary, Croatia etc are Eastern.

    Basically a rare map that mixes religion with civilization.
    Religion was arguably the most important factor of convergence until very recently. Religion was often used as nearly synonymous to culture.

    I'm genuinely curious to hear why exactly you don't consider Croatia, Hungary and the Baltic countries as part of the West. What factors makes them different from the West and more similar to Russians?

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    His map is based around religious identity, so orthodox countries such as Greece and Russia belong to a so-called Orthodox civilisation. He breaks down the world into several "civilisations" and analyses them and how conflict between them will be the basis for most conflicts in the 21st century.

    I don't agree because he muddies the waters with East Asia. For example, South Korea is much more closer to the west than it is to China, Taiwan fucking hates the PRC, and Japan don't seem worthy of their own colour on the map. According to the theory of "band-wagoning" non-Western countries can join and accept Western values.

    And there's no way the Filipinos would ever side with the Europeans, East Asians, or even the Middle Eastern people. Because all three groups have attempted to colonise, conquer, enslave, or slaughtered them. They have a better chance of them going with the Latin Americans.

    Most of what he wrote was already predicted by a much better scholar, Lothrop Stoddard, in the 1920's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Religion was arguably the most important factor of convergence until very recently. Religion was often used as nearly synonymous to culture.

    I'm genuinely curious to hear why exactly you don't consider Croatia, Hungary and the Baltic countries as part of the West. What factors makes them different from the West and more similar to Russians?
    And what does make them Western?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    And what does make them Western?
    He writes:

    European Christendom began to emerge as a distinct civilization in the eighth and ninth centuries. For several hundred years, however, it lagged behind many other civilizations in its level of civilization. China under the T’ang, Sung, and Ming dynasties, the Islamic world from the eighth to the twelfth centuries, and Byzantium from the eighth to the eleventh centuries far surpassed Europe in wealth, territory, military power, and artistic, literary, and scientific achievement. Between the eleventh and thirteenth centuries, European culture began to develop, facilitated by the "eager and systematic appropriation of suitable elements from the higher civilizations of Islam and Byzantium, together with adaptation of this inheritance to the special conditions and interests of the West.” During the same period, Hungary, Poland, Scandinavia, and the Baltic coast were converted to Western Christianity, with Roman law and other aspects of Western civilization following, and the eastern boundary of Western civilization was stabilized where it would remain thereafter without significant change.

    Obs: i'm being completely impartial here, i just want to hear other's people opinion about his work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    I don't agree because he muddies the waters with East Asia. For example, South Korea is much more closer to the west than it is to China, Taiwan fucking hates the PRC, and Japan don't seem worthy of their own colour on the map. According to the theory of "band-wagoning" non-Western countries can join and accept Western values.
    Do you think Japan and South Korea will be increasingly alligned with the West in the next decades?

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    Kazakhstan as "Orthodox" is pathetic.

    "According to the 2009 Census, 70% of the population is Muslim, 26% Christian"

    PNG is Western, but Southern Cone isn't? lol

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