Poll: do you agree with Huntington's civilizations map?

[Dušan]

In cca 70% territory of Bosnia, Muslims are tiny minority - in Republika Srpska (49% of territory), and in few Croat cantons inside Federation.
It cant be considered as Muslim country in any way, only some parts of it.

[Satem]

Same applies to Poland.

It's basing on 2007 results, recent ones look a bit blurred. It just shows the winning party so the difference is overestimated a bit

[Aldaris]

Lost me at lumping together MENA and Indonesia solely based on religion even though it's one and only thing they have in common, otherwise it's like a different planet. Not sure if someone from the western half of New Guinea would feel more 'in his civilization' being in Morocco than a Pole would in Belarus. That simplistic reasoning based on that one particular thing seemingly wasn't okay in case of Sub-Saharan Africa, where most people are christians, for some unknown reason. Also, Japanese were given their own category? Could go on and on with this, but you get the point. It's not even internally consistent, let alone actually consistent.

[Centurion]

No. It makes no sense to invent an "African Civilisation" which doesn't include 1/3 of Africa, namely some black African countries and at the same time to put Senegal, Albania and Indonesia in the same group just because they are muslims. Why Bosnia and Kosovo are not in the Islamic civilisation in this case? Also Phillipines are not most western than Japan or South Korea. Even if they are christian. Or otherwise we should label Congo as "western" because it is also christian.

Kazakhstan is not orthodox in majority but muslim. Israël is not islamic, but is part of Orient.

Jamaica is not shown on the map. Of course, it's neither Western neither Latin America, just like Haiti it's just an extension of Black Africa in the West Indies.

I prefer this map:

[Cristiano viejo]

I prefer this map:

Balkanites will kill you

[Dušan]

Balkanites will kill you

Well, his France is nowadays more Orient (islamized) than any Balkan country - Serbia, Greece, Romania or Moldova.
Just a clear fact. Nothing personal.

[Centurion]

Well, his France is nowadays more Orient (islamized) than any Balkan country - Serbia, Greece, Romania or Moldova.
Just a clear fact. Nothing personal.

France is partially islamized because of immigration. Balkan countries are fully and traditionally part of Orient.

And Orient =/= Islam. A large part of Orient is Muslim but a large part of the muslim countries are not in Orient while a large part of Orient is christian.

[Dušan]

France is partially islamized because of immigration. Balkan countries are fully and traditionally part of Orient.

And Orient =/= Islam. A large part of Orient is Muslim but a large part of the muslim countries are not in Orient while a large part of Orient is christian.

Balkan countries are part of European east, or more precise southeast.

No, we are not Western, but also we are not in same group with Morrocco, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan... WTF?!

If we are not grouped with East Europe - Russia and its neighbours, then we are separate distinct group.

[Mortimer]

Religion was arguably the most important factor of convergence until very recently. Religion was often used as nearly synonymous to culture.

I'm genuinely curious to hear why exactly you don't consider Croatia, Hungary and the Baltic countries as part of the West. What factors makes them different from the West and more similar to Russians?

They are slavic, they have been communist etc. They have authoritarian governments, and a mentality closer to russians. Thats how I see it.

[Blondie]

I don't agree with these maps because it put such countries in same group who have nothing to do with each other. For example no way that Spain is closer to Finland than to Greece. Also Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia etc are central not eastern or western, i don't think that japanese and chinese are different thir culture is very similar etc.