Are we under rating turkey?

[Mejgusu]

Maybe Kemalists who are alive would have a chance if Kılışdar left a couple of them in CHP. True Kemalists like Deniz Baykal and his friends were wiped out by Kılışdar and FETO. I am sorry but only a fool would not see it. You are pretending to be a Kemalist but you are only happy because Alevis took control of CHP and let nobody else into the party. Lol. Maybe some ultra left people likes of Canan Gaftancis can join CHP noone else.

Alevis are our heritage, no offense to them. Every religion related dispute among Turks like Sunni-Alevi conflict is nonsense, connecting Alevism with the stupidity and anti-Turkish policy of CHP is rude tbh. Sometimes politics is more harmful than useful. My mother grew up in a gecekondu district with Central Anatolian migrants, Sunnis and Alevis mixed, she and my grandmother always tell me that all of them weren’t neighbors but they were a big family. And then they show me all the ugly tower blocks were many families live in one building but no one knows or likes each other. With this kind of accusations we dont solve the polarization of Turkish people, religion shouldn’t matter in any kind of discussion. There are Christian Gagauzes who are more Turkish than many in Turkey and that is important, not their religion.

[Fedora]

I would say only USA, Russia and China have a mostly indepentend defence industry. Turkey's growing but has problems in some areas. We had access to western weapons and in some cases the germans help us(the new turkish submarines for example). So I would say we're "2nd tier" in defence.

[DarkSecret]

Alevis are our heritage, no offense to them. Every religion related dispute among Turks like Sunni-Alevi conflict is nonsense, connecting Alevism with the stupidity and anti-Turkish policy of CHP is rude tbh. Sometimes politics is more harmful than useful. My mother grew up in a gecekondu district with Central Anatolian migrants, Sunnis and Alevis mixed, she and my grandmother always tell me that all of them weren’t neighbors but they were a big family. And then they show me all the ugly tower blocks were many families live in one building but no one knows or likes each other. With this kind of accusations we dont solve the polarization of Turkish people, religion shouldn’t matter in any kind of discussion. There are Christian Gagauzes who are more Turkish than many in Turkey and that is important, not their religion.

I don't think I said something bad about Alevis or other religions. I was pointing out that CHP was overtaken by a group who are mostly Alevis and not really Kemalist.

[Sakis]

As a guarantor state we had right to intervene to protect Turkish Cypriots from being butchered by Greek communists (NATO supporters lol). Okay? You are the only one who is expanding its territories not Turkey. You are violating Lausanne and international sea borders agreements. You are being supported by Europe and USA just because they want to punish us not because you are right. And learn how to talk civilized.

That's some nice stories you have been told buddy. Trying to establish a state in Cyprus out of nothing has nothing to do with "protecting" the Turkish Cypriots. Also Turkey hasn't signed the Law of the sea, I'm wondering why? Do you think that the Turko-Libyan EEZ agreement is based on international laws? Greece has every legal right to expand it's sea borders from 6 to 12 nautical miles just like every other country.

[Hektor12]

Never underestimate Turkey...

[DarkSecret]

That's some nice stories you have been told buddy. Trying to establish a state in Cyprus out of nothing has nothing to do with "protecting" the Turkish Cypriots. Also Turkey hasn't signed the Law of the sea, I'm wondering why? Do you think that the Turko-Libyan EEZ agreement is based on international laws? Greece has every legal right to expand it's sea borders from 6 to 12 nautical miles just like every other country.

What stories? They weren't butchered? How the hell would they be governed if not for Northern State? They wanted a separated government so we let them do it. They wanted to solve the problem but Greek side did not want Annan Plan even if it was bad for Turkish. Lol. What else can we do? Ofc it is based on international laws. Everybody can sign such agreement. You didn't do that with Egypt and Israel? Law of the sea doesn't say you can declare your sea borders starting from islands. You have mainland so it should start from the mainland. You are not island state like Indonesia or Cyprus so you cannot start from islands according to international laws. Besides you cannot militarize your islands according to Lausanne agreement. I am sorry but those are not stories. You can do your research but eventually of course you would want to defend Greece 100%. You wouldn't care who is right. That's understandable but won't solve any problems.

Maybe you are the one who have been told lies? Have you ever given a thought to that?

[Sakis]

What stories? They weren't butchered? How the hell would they be governed if not for Northern State? They wanted a separated government so we let them do it. They wanted to solve the problem but Greek side did not want Annan Plan even if it was bad for Turkish. Lol. What else can we do? Ofc it is based on international laws. Everybody can sign such agreement. You didn't do that with Egypt and Israel? Law of the sea doesn't say you can declare your sea borders starting from islands. You have mainland so it should start from the mainland. You are not island state like Indonesia or Cyprus so you cannot start from islands according to international laws. Besides you cannot militarize your islands according to Lausanne agreement. I am sorry but those are not stories. You can do your research but eventually of course you would want to defend Greece 100%. You wouldn't care who is right. That's understandable but won't solve any problems.

Maybe you are the one who have been told lies? Have you ever given a thought to that?

Cyprus has a recognized state by every single country. Could you imagine if every minority wanted to establish their own state within another state? What else you can do? That question is out of reality, you can do nothing on a foreign state. Every citizen of Cyprus is part of the recognized republic of Cyprus, you have no right intervening in foreign affairs like you do on Libya and Syria. On the EEZ matter you are completely misinformed, islands have their EEZ by law. Do you think that the Turkish EEZ passing through the Greek Islands and touching the Libyan one is based laws? The fact that you haven't signed the Law of the sea says a lot about the legality of your agreement. Can you tell me why you created the army of the aegean long before we militarized our islands?

[DarkSecret]

Cyprus has a recognized state by every single country. Could you imagine if every minority wanted to establish their own state within another state? What else you can do? That question is out of reality, you can do nothing on a foreign state. Every citizen of Cyprus is part of the recognized republic of Cyprus, you have no right intervening in foreign affairs like you do on Libya and Syria. On the EEZ matter you are completely misinformed, islands have their EEZ by law. Do you think that the Turkish EEZ passing through the Greek Islands and touching the Libyan one is based laws? The fact that you haven't signed the Law of the sea says a lot about the legality of your agreement. Can you tell me why you created the army of the aegean long before we militarized our islands?

According to you we should go back to Mongolia. If we accept you are right, your next move would be claiming Istanbul or Izmir. Greece expansionism has no limits. This dispute has long history and has no clear solution. I am sorry.

[DarkSecret]

Year by year Greece is expanding:

Unlawfully given islands by Italy.

[Sakis]

According to you we should go back to Mongolia. If we accept you are right, your next move would be claiming Istanbul or Izmir. Greece expansionism has no limits. This dispute has long history and has no clear solution. I am sorry.

What Greek expansionism dude? Are you talking about the islands that were always inhabited by Greek people?