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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    I thought about this and turks had the balls to shoot down a Russian plane to send refugees to Europe and piss everyone even the EU and west off if they can do that I think they are more of a powerful country than we might know and I saw on TV Erdogan saying turkey is about to launch a space programme
    meanwhile...and for the second time I'm asking the question on this thread

    HOW MANY REFUGEES FIT IN A FIGHTER JET

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_R...u-24_shootdown

    excuse me mister dumb dumb, for interpreting that specific part wrong

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    I think I cannot edit my message anymore, because you can only a few hours. Im sorry, I think everyone knows it is meant the country not the animal. No one will think it is the animal. Are you butthurt just because of the spelling? That means nothing, I didnt had in mind to make fun of Turks. I just typed on my phone, quickly.
    Why do you only play smart when you need to play smart Morty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IberianAlex View Post
    Hmm, well. I would say they are finding their feet as an independent actor instead of limiting themselves to the role of a prospective EU member, something which had been promised back in the heydays of EU expansion after the fall of the Wall but which has become increasing unrealistic with the political developments towards nationalism in Europe and Islamism in Turkey.

    What makes Turkey interesting to study is that it is the only economic titan in the region whose economy is not dependent on oil. Meanwhile, Iran and Saudi Arabia are still petro economies despite years of trying to change that, Turkey's economy, in comparison, is far less vulnerable to price shocks and war. Turkish forces have fought wars in recent years and have demonstrated competence but not brilliance. What sets them apart from all the other countries in the Balkans and Middle East, however, is their ability to muster sheer numbers of advanced, modern equipment in the hands of competent soldiers and officers. Nobody else comes close to having all three components.

    In this respect Turkey is one of the last standalone militaries in the world, the others being the US, Russia, China, Japan, and India. By that, I mean a military which has large numbers of modern equipment in all major categories (the least common of which worldwide are MBTs and multirole fighters), competence in using it, and the ability to supply most of it domestically (although Turkey is not anywhere close to supplying their armies domestically, most of their inventory of serious hardware is western built) those competencies are very valuable, and essentially mean that only that short list of countries are able to fight protracted conventional wars by themselves. None of the other standalone militaries are close to Turkey, which means that nobody in Turkey's vicinity could come close to defeating them in a conflict. Even those with higher quality forces (Israel, for example) don't have the means to replenish their equipment and munitions, nor the sheer mass required to resist indefinitely. Historically, most defeats in modern war are due to shortages of supplies, parts, and modern equipment, not brilliant tactics.

    Their major issue currently is that Turkey has a debt mountain, and have scared away all investors. The banks and investors have lost faith in this regime, they are not willing to keep the rotten economy floating, and the lira is failing. Turkey used to give out 13+% interest, issue is this brings in hot foreign exchange, but it is unnatural. People are not investing because "oh, Turkey seems cool", they invest because "oh, look at the interest". So, compared to, lets say, South Korea (which had a similar development curve with Turkey) investors there didn't even pull back after NK was hassling them, in Turkey they will pull back after any political crisis, as the investment is not tied to any long term shit.

    Also, there is the whole thing about having a nationalist, authoritarian leader who likes to stoke national pride by telling his people lies. The only "rise" in power they have experienced recently is that the world is getting more multipolar so Turkey can try to play off different players. At the same time Russia, Iran and the civil wars on its borders pose greater security concerns.

    (Source: My best friend is Turkish and we stay up until four in the morning, high, talking about this geopolitical stuff, hahahaha)
    Populism, hollow nationalism and authoritarianism are on the rise all over the world. The same shit before the world wars broke up.

    The world was all good when governments were ruled by actually people with a sense of reason and diplomacy in the post-Berlin Wall era. Turkey was pretty much a decent country as a secular, prospective EU member Republic facing towards the West in the '90s. What matters about power, strength and all kinds of militaristic chants when %90 of your young people do not see a promising future for their career and life in this country? this is all shit. The only true patriotism lies in enhancing the quality of life of your citizens, nothing else. Turkey should revert back to its factory settings and hopefully after the next elections Kemalism will be in charge again. But I'm aware that this is not just our problem but that of the whole world. Militarism is driving the nations into an arms race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkSecret View Post
    Yeah man. Actually we were at our weakest before Erdogan. Now he wants us to become stronger and at our deserved place in the world. But these CHP supporters won't let him do that.
    Accurately put, but one sided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryujin View Post
    Populism, hollow nationalism and authoritarianism are on the rise all over the world. The same shit before the world wars broke up.

    The world was all good when governments were ruled by actually people with a sense of reason and diplomacy in the post-Berlin Wall era. Turkey was pretty much a decent country as a secular, prospective EU member Republic facing towards the West in the '90s. What matters about power, strength and all kinds of militaristic chants when %90 of your young people do not see a promising future for their career and life in this country? this is all shit. The only true patriotism lies in enhancing the quality of life of your citizens, nothing else. Turkey should revert back to its factory settings and hopefully after the next elections Kemalism will be in charge again. But I'm aware that this is not just our problem but that of the whole world. Militarism is driving the nations into an arms race.
    Im gonna challenge Alex for the "highest you've ever been photo contest'" ehehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryujin View Post
    Populism, hollow nationalism and authoritarianism are on the rise all over the world. The same shit before the world wars broke up.

    The world was all good when governments were ruled by actually people with a sense of reason and diplomacy in the post-Berlin Wall era. Turkey was pretty much a decent country as a secular, prospective EU member Republic facing towards the West in the '90s. What matters about power, strength and all kinds of militaristic chants when %90 of your young people do not see a promising future for their career and life in this country? this is all shit. The only true patriotism lies in enhancing the quality of life of your citizens, nothing else. Turkey should revert back to its factory settings and hopefully after the next elections Kemalism will be in charge again. But I'm aware that this is not just our problem but that of the whole world. Militarism is driving the nations into an arms race.
    If only the politicians could know of the conversations that take place in this forum, that would be very productive for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    Lol. Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey are neighbouring states each of which uses a different alphabet.
    Maybe they tried to piss me off somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryujin View Post
    Populism, hollow nationalism and authoritarianism are on the rise all over the world. The same shit before the world wars broke up.

    The world was all good when governments were ruled by actually people with a sense of reason and diplomacy in the post-Berlin Wall era. Turkey was pretty much a decent country as a secular, prospective EU member Republic facing towards the West in the '90s. What matters about power, strength and all kinds of militaristic chants when %90 of your young people do not see a promising future for their career and life in this country? this is all shit. The only true patriotism lies in enhancing the quality of life of your citizens, nothing else. Turkey should revert back to its factory settings and hopefully after the next elections Kemalism will be in charge again. But I'm aware that this is not just our problem but that of the whole world. Militarism is driving the nations into an arms race.
    Maybe Kemalists who are alive would have a chance if Kılışdar left a couple of them in CHP. True Kemalists like Deniz Baykal and his friends were wiped out by Kılışdar and FETO. I am sorry but only a fool would not see it. You are pretending to be a Kemalist but you are only happy because Alevis took control of CHP and let nobody else into the party. Lol. Maybe some ultra left people likes of Canan Gaftancis can join CHP noone else.

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    Turkey is a country that barks but never bites unless numbers are heavily in their favour. Like a bunch of hyenas chasing down an elk.

    Their actions for a long time against Greece confirm this - they even wanted to ensure Cyprus was against NATO before they invaded illegally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Turkey is a country that barks but never bites unless numbers are heavily in their favour. Like a bunch of hyenas chasing down an elk.

    Their actions for a long time against Greece confirm this - they even wanted to ensure Cyprus was against NATO before they invaded illegally.
    As a guarantor state we had right to intervene to protect Turkish Cypriots from being butchered by Greek communists (NATO supporters lol). Okay? You are the only one who is expanding its territories not Turkey. You are violating Lausanne and international sea borders agreements. You are being supported by Europe and USA just because they want to punish us not because you are right. And learn how to talk civilized.

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