Are we under rating turkey?

[hurtuv]

Year by year Greece is expanding:

Unlawfully given islands by Italy.

That's the problem of the Falklands.
In Iberia, we have the Olivença (Spanish) and Savage Islands (Portuguese) disputes.
No one cares, Spanish and Portuguese, even the governments are like meh

Why should it not be different there, in your opinion?

[Hektor12]

Why should it not be different there, in your opinion?

Small differences matter a lot in Aegean.

[DarkSecret]

That's the problem of the Falklands.
In Iberia, we have the Olivença (Spanish) and Savage Islands (Portuguese) disputes.
No one cares, Spanish and Portuguese, even the governments are like meh

Why should it not be different there, in your opinion?

There is natural gas. That's why matters.

[hurtuv]

There is natural gas. That's why matters.

Bruh it really doesn't. Let the poor bastards that went trough the crisis have them. If there is such a thing as a justifiable war, it would be because of someone feeling a ancient spiritual connection to a land (like you feel with Artvin and Rize, and more I suppose) at the hands of others, that they can't come to good terms with. I think the Greeks have more of a connection to the islands, because they' ve been there for long enough. Don't feel spiritual connections to fossil fuels mate, its not worth it.

[DarkSecret]

Bruh it really doesn't. Let the poor bastards that went trough the crisis have them. If there is such a thing as a justifiable war, it would be because of someone feeling a ancient spiritual connection to a land (like you feel with Artvin and Rize, and more I suppose) at the hands of others, that they can't come to good terms with. I think the Greeks have more of a connection to the islands, because they' ve been there for long enough. Don't feel spiritual connections to fossil fuels mate, its not worth it.

Yeah let's listen to this:

[Teutone]

Reis Erdogan did a incredibly job to uplift the Turkish economy, created a middle class, developed better infrastructure than most European nations, survived a coup, brings Turkey back to Islam and giving them their haqq back. Inshallah will he make Istanbul the capital and undo the policies of mustafa kemal atashirk.

[Zeno]

Well, on the surface Turkey seems """""""""stronk""""""""".

But practically speaking, it's still a shithole, with only the West being developed, with an impoverished population, with a GDP per capita 2x less than ours, despite the fact they are constantly growing.

Their military is incompetent, because they sustain huge losses against semi-armed rebels, imagine the loss with a fully armed rival.

[Tauromachos]

Year by year Greece is expanding:

Unlawfully given islands by Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delian_League

[Hektor12]

Their military is incompetent, because they sustain huge losses against semi-armed rebels, imagine the loss with a fully armed rival.

We have about 7x or 8x men compared to strongest fully armed rival, shouldnt be a problem.

[Zeno]

We have about 7x or 8x men compared to strongest fully armed rival, shouldnt be a problem.

Yeah, and the Soviets had 35 million soldiers against 4 million of the Wehrmacht. Yet, the Soviets lost 27 million soldiers to the Nazis because of their incompetence and lack of equipment.

Anyone can put through this parallel with today's Turkey. It has 80 million people... So what? We've seen what happened in Syria and Libya with the Kurds and the Libyans, the latter literally buttblasted fully armed Turks by the dozens of thousands.