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    Quote Originally Posted by Mopi View Post
    is the siberian/east asian admix in saami far enough back that it predates "classic" mongoloid phenotype ?
    Plausibly. I was initially startled that OP look just like any regular Northern/Western Euro despite his genomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Here is OP's result:
    His closest regional populations from my database:

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    NO_Norway-Kvalsund
    0.3882795
    RUS_Murmansk-Sami
    0.5260637
    SE_Swedish-Lapland
    0.6663490
    FIN_Finland-Lapland
    0.8350611
    (...)

    To skrt, ktry wyrażamy w czterech literach. Tak to jest moja ziemia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    His closest regional populations from my database:

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    NO_Norway-Kvalsund
    0.3882795
    RUS_Murmansk-Sami
    0.5260637
    SE_Swedish-Lapland
    0.6663490
    FIN_Finland-Lapland
    0.8350611
    (...)
    Kvalsund from Norway are also ethnic Saamis? Can you do a run whether he is genetically closer to other Uralics or to his fellow Germanic Scandinavians?

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    On Dodecad he is not close to any group but the Komi come up as the closest one albeit at 10.44

    Distance to: Sami_Norway
    10.44483604 Komi
    11.64055411 Russian_Arkhangelsk
    12.78203818 Veps
    13.77867918 Russian_Ural
    14.65609771 Finnish_East
    14.76881173 Karelian
    15.59399564 Chuvash
    15.90497721 Mari
    15.99749355 North_Russian
    16.20806281 Udmurt
    16.55447976 Russian_Kostroma
    17.08046252 Finnish_West
    17.97422877 Mordovian
    18.22346564 Besermyan_Udmurtia
    19.70894721 Tatar_Mishar
    20.59968932 Estonian
    20.71540007 Russian_Tver
    21.00283076 Russian_Ryazan
    21.64232196 Bashkir_North
    21.64613129 Tatar_Kazan

    An ethnic Norwegian by the way
    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...an-DNA-results

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    Closest pop to the OP using MDLP K23b Vahaduo:

    Distance to: Saami_Norway
    5.26792179 Saami_Finland
    8.53834879 Komi
    8.96575708 Saami_Kola
    9.35690654 Saami
    12.02529002 Chuvash
    12.42459255 Tatar_Kryashen
    12.67366956 Russian-Ural
    13.57508011 Tatar_Mishar
    14.66863661 Finn_East
    14.89823815 Chuvashs
    14.90621682 Mari
    15.07194745 Finnish-East
    15.12768984 Tatar
    16.34568750 Finn
    16.90634792 Finnish_FIN
    16.98953501 Karelian
    17.24602853 Erzya
    17.27058192 Russian-North
    17.89743278 Tatar-Mishar
    18.71911056 Tatar-Kazan
    18.75427151 Russian_Vologda
    18.77163019 Vepsa
    19.62478790 Moksha
    19.86818562 Finn_West
    20.01327310 Russian-Upper-Volga

    His result using MDLP K23b:

    Target: Saami_Norway
    Distance: 2.1333% / 2.13326690
    73.5 Karelian
    14.0 Mansi
    8.1 Selkup
    1.9 Kalash
    1.7 Ulchi
    0.6 Surui
    0.2 Tubalar

    When removing the Saami samples:

    Target: Saami_Norway
    Distance: 2.1333% / 2.13326690
    73.5 Karelian
    14.0 Mansi
    8.1 Selkup
    1.9 Kalash
    1.7 Ulchi
    0.6 Surui
    0.2 Tubalar

    Closest pop to OP using MDLP K16 Vahaduo:

    Distance to: Saami_Norway
    7.52540364 Saami
    8.14402849 Saami_Kola
    9.29290590 Saami_WGA
    9.96212829 Komi
    10.23065003 Russians-North
    11.73603425 Russian_Pinega
    11.76895068 Chuvash
    11.83533269 Russian-Ural
    12.06466742 Finland_North
    12.49917197 Karelian
    12.51251773 Finn-East
    12.60359373 Maris
    12.90173632 Vepsa
    13.12140617 Chuvash-Viryal
    13.13800213 Finnish
    13.44244769 Chuvash-Anatri
    13.73197000 Finland_South
    13.77766671 Udmurd
    14.31824710 Finnish_FIN
    14.41581423 Finnish-Inkeri
    14.93825960 Ingrians
    15.28577443 Erzya
    15.52125961 Russian_Kargopol
    15.67784424 Russia_Archangelsk
    15.70380846 Russian_Kostroma

    His model using MDLP K16 vahaduo:

    Target: Saami_Norway
    Distance: 2.4167% / 2.41672573
    41.4 Finnish-Inkeri
    23.7 Mansi
    16.3 Lithuanian_Aukstajtia
    11.2 Saami_WGA
    4.9 Tubalar
    2.2 GujaratiC_GIH
    0.3 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Kvalsund from Norway are also ethnic Saamis? Can you do a run whether he is genetically closer to other Uralics or to his fellow Germanic Scandinavians?
    Yes also Saamis. He is closer to Uralics.
    To skrt, ktry wyrażamy w czterech literach. Tak to jest moja ziemia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    On Dodecad he is not close to any group but the Komi come up as the closest one albeit at 10.44

    Distance to: Sami_Norway
    10.44483604 Komi
    11.64055411 Russian_Arkhangelsk
    12.78203818 Veps
    13.77867918 Russian_Ural
    14.65609771 Finnish_East
    14.76881173 Karelian
    15.59399564 Chuvash
    15.90497721 Mari
    15.99749355 North_Russian
    16.20806281 Udmurt
    16.55447976 Russian_Kostroma
    17.08046252 Finnish_West
    17.97422877 Mordovian
    18.22346564 Besermyan_Udmurtia
    19.70894721 Tatar_Mishar
    20.59968932 Estonian
    20.71540007 Russian_Tver
    21.00283076 Russian_Ryazan
    21.64232196 Bashkir_North
    21.64613129 Tatar_Kazan

    An ethnic Norwegian by the way
    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...an-DNA-results
    Thanks. I find it interesting. Here are the MDLP K16 distance run: Fascinating how OP is genetically much closer to Komi, Chuvash, Mari who live much more geographically farther away than to fellow Scandinavians (except Finns of course as they both shared East Eurasian admixture).

    Distance to: Saami_Norway
    9.96212829 Komi
    11.73603425 Russian_Pinega
    11.76895068 Chuvash
    12.60359373 Maris
    13.13800213 Finnish
    13.77766671 Udmurd
    17.93120743 Estonian
    19.09442982 Latvian
    20.37203291 Lithuanian
    22.31627657 Norwegian
    22.56370094 Swedish
    23.95471561 Bashkir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Minor south Asian admix on gedmatch is very common to score for various Uralic ethnicities. Must be something ancient. It's mostly but not fully west Eurasian component.
    As for phenotype, he looks East Baltid and quite common north European.
    It could be some sort of ANE affinity since South Asians also have shitloads of ANE.

    It shows genotype doesn't equal phenotype. Makes me wonder how typical/common are his results among modern day Samis or are most already admixed with Northern Germanics? But it seems like he doesn't have any recent Norwegian ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Yes also Saamis. He is closer to Uralics.
    Here are the closest pops to the OP using PuntDNAL K12 Modern: Seems like he is genetically much closer to Chuvash (they seem to be genetically Uralic despite speaking a Turkic language) and Balts than to other Scandinavians (once again with the exception of Finns). Probably has to do with the fact that Baltics have the lowest amount of Neolithic in Europe after Uralics. Strange though that the Russian is second closest pop to him here, probably Northern Russian with some Mongoloid ancestry?

    Would be nice if there were other Uralic pops in the spreadsheet so can we can get a better picture.

    Distance to: Saami_Norway
    5.42724608 Chuvash
    11.66640476 Russian
    12.41631991 Mordovian
    14.97147287 Finnish
    19.76170539 Belarusian
    20.54543745 Estonian
    21.39147026 Lithuanian
    22.68711088 Icelandic
    23.21605048 Czech
    24.19617738 Scottish_West
    24.38288334 German_North
    24.52090944 Dutch_North
    24.67600049 Swedish
    24.96086938 Hungarian
    25.11423899 Norwegian
    25.84347113 Irish
    26.71151437 English_South
    27.08975821 Dutch_South
    27.38658431 Croatian
    28.22277449 Utahn_European
    29.24816234 Romanian
    29.64548870 German_South
    29.94920700 Belgian
    32.13292704 Bulgarian
    33.64736245 French

    Btw here is the model of him using PuntDNAL K12 Modern:

    Target: Saami_Norway
    Distance: 1.1231% / 1.12314402
    49.4 Lithuanian
    22.7 Selkup
    11.7 Russian
    6.2 Tajik_Pomiri
    5.5 Estonian
    3.0 Chukchi
    0.9 Pathan
    0.4 Haryana_Jatt
    0.2 Papuan

    The ancient version of his genomic modeling:

    Target: Saami_Norway
    Distance: 12.5305% / 12.53052820
    59.5 Scythian_IA_I0247
    17.2 Karelia_HG_I0061
    10.8 Hungary_HG_I1507
    6.8 Baalberge_MN_I0560
    3.9 Ust_Ishim_DG
    1.8 AnatolianNeolithic_I0745


    While here is his model using a mix of ancient and modern pops:

    Target: Saami_Norway
    Distance: 226.4927% / 2.26492737
    36.0 Motala12
    18.0 Satsurblia_SATP
    15.2 Nganasan
    13.8 AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
    11.6 Karelia_HG_I0061
    5.4 Chukchi

    And here is the closest ancient pops to him:

    Distance to: Saami_Norway
    17.79592650 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
    18.25253407 Andronovo_SG_RISE505
    19.14223080 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
    19.81401019 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
    20.14832499 Srubnaya_I0232
    20.21645369 Potapovka_I0419
    20.66409930 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
    21.75212633 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
    21.96372009 Scythian_IA_I0247
    22.35005593 Srubnaya_I0430
    22.84086251 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
    22.87957605 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
    22.95811403 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    23.70137127 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
    24.94824643 Unetice_EBA_I0117
    25.00709899 Afanasievo_SG_RISE511
    25.07119862 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
    25.53575924 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
    25.56863313 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    25.67459834 Yamnaya_Samara_I0443
    26.03353606 Samara_Eneolithic_I0433
    28.49008599 Yamnaya_Samara_I0231
    31.38542655 Samara_HG_I0124
    31.77617032 Vatya_SG_RISE479
    31.79520404 Kostenki14_UP_SG

    Would be great to see OP's G25 results. Want to see whether he is closer to the Saami or Saami_Kola from Russia.
    Last edited by Joqool; 02-24-2021 at 11:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    On Dodecad he is not close to any group but the Komi come up as the closest one albeit at 10.44

    Distance to: Sami_Norway
    10.44483604 Komi
    11.64055411 Russian_Arkhangelsk
    12.78203818 Veps
    13.77867918 Russian_Ural
    14.65609771 Finnish_East
    14.76881173 Karelian
    15.59399564 Chuvash
    15.90497721 Mari
    15.99749355 North_Russian
    16.20806281 Udmurt
    16.55447976 Russian_Kostroma
    17.08046252 Finnish_West
    17.97422877 Mordovian
    18.22346564 Besermyan_Udmurtia
    19.70894721 Tatar_Mishar
    20.59968932 Estonian
    20.71540007 Russian_Tver
    21.00283076 Russian_Ryazan
    21.64232196 Bashkir_North
    21.64613129 Tatar_Kazan

    An ethnic Norwegian by the way
    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...an-DNA-results
    Wow its crazy how OP is so different from an ethnic Norwegian despite living in the same country and not that geographically distant from one another. Tbh, it makes me think that Samis are Europe's genetically most unique population, maybe even more than Sardinians and Basques.

    Btw do you want his Gedmatch kit? I can PM you.

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