Gedmatch results of a Saami from Norway

[Leto]

When did Proto-Sami and Proto-Finnic split?

[Universe]

When did Proto-Sami and Proto-Finnic split?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A...guages#History

The Proto-Samic language is believed to have formed in the vicinity of the Gulf of Finland between 1000 BC to 700 AD, deriving from a common Proto-Sami-Finnic language (M. Korhonen 1981).[17] However, reconstruction of any basic proto-languages in the Uralic family have reached a level close to or identical to Proto-Uralic (Salminen 1999).[18] According to the comparative linguist Ante Aikio, the Proto-Samic language developed in South Finland or in Karelia around 2000–2500 years ago, spreading then to northern Fennoscandia.[19]

[Zanzibar]

This.

Genotype = phénotype.

A sami with 75% euro and 25% ''siberian like'' could look european, his brother more 50-50, other almost fully siberian.

Same thing with askenazi.

Not a surprise...

This thread is made to disprove the stereotype that most modern day Samis are not 100% "pure" Saami but have recent Northern Germanic (Norwegian, Swedish) ancestors and that's why most of them now look like other Northern Euros, which is highly untrue as prove by the DNA results of the OP shown here.

[Flashball]

This thread is made to disprove the stereotype that most modern day Samis are not 100% "pure" Saami but have recent Northern Germanic (Norwegian, Swedish) ancestors and that's why most of them now look like other Northern Euros, which is highly untrue as prove by the DNA results of the OP shown here.

It seems to me that the Sami have been studied enough and that there is enough data to be able to affirm that they have the phenotype of their ancestral contributions: European (mainly) and "siberian-like" (not Japanese).

It's nothing surprising to have this kind of face with people who have this kind of genetics.

The Sami are "pure" in the sense that they have their own "genetic signature" and are indistinguishable from "pure" Swedes. As the Ashkenazim are "pure" in their hybridization (for several centuries), it could be contradictory to stick "pure" or "homogeneous" and "hybrid" in one sentence, but not really: one can be homogeneous in a mixture.

[eTrex]

Looks like hes only about a quarter saami.

[Lemminkäinen]

I don't understand how removing minor alleles would in all cases weight more recent ancestry. Recent ancestry between Saami and Karitiana? Really? It is true that we can consider minor alleles being older in case they are inherited, not mutated, but sure f.ex. Karitiana and Saami people share only very old ancestry and removing minor alleles in a large data shifts the allele distribution away from the pairwise common ancestry. What do we expect if we use SNPs of chip population after removing minor alleles? All I want to say that deleting alleles can be good, but also bad.

[Zanzibar]

It seems to me that the Sami have been studied enough and that there is enough data to be able to affirm that they have the phenotype of their ancestral contributions: European (mainly) and "siberian-like" (not Japanese).

It's nothing surprising to have this kind of face with people who have this kind of genetics.

The Sami are "pure" in the sense that they have their own "genetic signature" and are indistinguishable from "pure" Swedes. As the Ashkenazim are "pure" in their hybridization (for several centuries), it could be contradictory to stick "pure" or "homogeneous" and "hybrid" in one sentence, but not really: one can be homogeneous in a mixture.

Well you might be right regarding them being studied enough, but a lot of ppl including some users here seem to downplay or underestimate the amount of Siberian ancestry in the Sami; thinking that they are only 5% or 10-15% Mongoloid at most which is highly untrue. They are at least 20-25% Siberian or more (I have even seen a few samples who are almost 30% Mongoloid) except the Kola Saami who are less Siberian-shifted as they have recent admixture from other Euros.

Btw the Siberian portion of their ancestry is most similar to Arctic Mongs such as Nganasan and maybe Yukaghir.

Hmm when you say that the Sami are indistinguishable from "pure" Swedes, are you referring to their genomic aspect? I beg to differ as Swedes have literally zero East Eurasian ancestry while Samis have loads of Siberian. Furthermore, the Sami have very low Neolithic admix (like 15-16% on average) and much higher HG ancestry compared to most Euros, while Swedes have loads of EEF (around 36% or more) and very high Steppe ancestry.

I do get your point about how the term "pure" and "homogenous" can be applied even for hybrid populations though.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Well you might be right regarding them being studied enough, but a lot of ppl including some users here seem to downplay or underestimate the amount of Siberian ancestry in the Sami; thinking that they are only 5% or 10-15% Mongoloid at most which is highly untrue. They are at least 20-25% Siberian or more (I have even seen a few samples who are almost 30% Mongoloid) except the Kola Saami who are less Siberian-shifted as they have recent admixture from other Euros.

Btw the Siberian portion of their ancestry is most similar to Arctic Mongs such as Nganasan and maybe Yukaghir.

Hmm when you say that the Sami are indistinguishable from "pure" Swedes, are you referring to their genomic aspect? I beg to differ as Swedes have literally zero East Eurasian ancestry while Samis have loads of Siberian. Furthermore, the Sami have very low Neolithic admix (like 15-16% on average) and much higher HG ancestry compared to most Euros, while Swedes have loads of EEF (around 36% or more) and very high Steppe ancestry.

I do get your point about how the term "pure" and "homogenous" can be applied even for hybrid populations though.

Sample	EAST EURASIAN %
Saami:saami2	33,4
Saami:saami11	33,4
Saami:saami1	30,8
Saami:GS000035025	30,6
Saami:saami3	29,6
Saami:saami8	29,2
Saami:saami13	28,8
Saami:saami14	28,6
Saami:saami7	28,4
Saami:saami5	28,2
Saami:saami9	28,2
Saami:saami12	27
Saami:GS000035026	26,8
Saami_Kola:SaamiKola6	26
Saami:saami6	25,8
Saami_Kola:SaamiKola25	24,4
Saami_Kola:SaamiKola40	24,2
Saami_Kola:SaamiKola5	23,2
Saami:Saami001	22,8
Saami:saami4	22,8
Saami_Kola:SaamiKola74	19,4
Saami_Kola:SaamiKola47	17
Saami_Kola:SaamiKola7	15,8
Saami_Kola:SaamiKola49	13

[Zanzibar]

Looks like hes only about a quarter saami.

Nope he seems to be a pure Saami based on his results.