Who is genetically more unique in terms of European genetics: Sardinian or Saami?

[Lemminkäinen]

Here is an example f3-test about the impact of the gene flows. Both populations have Siberian admixture, but in Finns the Evenk influence is bigger and in Saamis the Nganasan influence is bigger. If we suggest that Siberians are a homogeneous population giving approximately similar admixture rates, then we have to conclude that Nganasans have Saami admixture. In both test I had near million SNPs.

[Leto]

Who are the two guys? I don't know the papers or dataset that David acquired to upload those new Nenets samples. But if we can find it, maybe we can ask Peterski or Lucas to upload them to Gedmatch.

You just did the name dropping

[Zanzibar]

Volga Kama looks like pure EHG pretty much, maybe with a slight CHG shift. I prefer using Afontova Gora and Grotta Constinenza Meso for a pure ANE and WHG.
And Mereke just looks like a normal Yamnaya.

Have you heard of this sample: VK_NOR_LN_HG? It seems to be either EHG or SHG with very minor CHG. For some reason it improve the distance fits for Saamis a bit, but it also seems to inflate the Anatolian admix in them.

[Zanzibar]

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[Zanzibar]

for Europeans I include Corded_Ware_Baltic_early because most of the steppe in Europe seems to come from something like that, and Corded_Ware_DEU because it decreases the distance for western Europeans.


lol, I just read about kra001 on the blog and didn't check the spreadsheet since then. I assumed Krasnoyarsk was one of those heavily mixed pops like Okunevo or something.


I thought those were just ANE? did Davidski do a text on them?


idk, i'll try to model them. did you choose them, or the algorithm picked them from the full sheet?

Oh I see. I will admit that I'm not well versed on the deep history of European genetics. So this is new knowledge to me.

Yep. That Krasnoyarsk_BA is kra001.

I believe I learned from the reading the posts of users DMXX and K33 on Anthrogenica that Botai, Tyumen_HG, Sosonivoy_HG, etc. represented WSHG.

Well I found out about Volga_Kama while I was fooling around with the Saami in G25: I was trying to get the best models for them while trying to get the lowest amount of EEF for them.

[Leto]

Oh boy. So its them? Maybe I should delete the names.

Nah, it's an open secret. They know me well enough.

[Leto]

It's interesting that Krasnoyarsk_BA is actually some Mongoloid Siberian ethnicity. I thought there was a Bronze Age Indo-European settlement in Southern Krasnoyarsk krai. An Andronovo offshoot.

[Zanzibar]

Yeah. Here I added Chuvashes. There's a Mari-Chuvash component at PC4. At PC3, there's a cline with Hungarians at one end and Saami and Finnics at the other end. (This is not based on the original G25 coordinates but on a new PCA done on top of them.)





Here's it visualized. This is still based on G25 because I'm a scrub, but I'm learning. Sardinians are the furthest from Saami, but Bashkirs are the furthest from Sardinians. The colors are based on hkmeans clustering of all 25 components in G25 (so it's not just based on the values of the x and y axis shown here).

Fascinating so we can see a two extreme genetic cline/polarity in modern Europe: Sardinian vs Saami similar to the distance runs I did in the above post. There seems to be a third main cline as well which is between Sardinian vs Bashkir and Mari. Or is that also part of the mega-Uralic shift just like the Saami vs Sardinian?

[Zanzibar]

Nah, it's an open secret.

Are they also Russians?

[Zanzibar]

It's interesting that Krasnoyarsk_BA is actually some Mongoloid Siberian ethnicity. I thought there was a Bronze Age Indo-European settlement in Southern Krasnoyarsk krai. An Andronovo offshoot.

Its seems to be closest to modern Nganasans followed by other Arctic Mongoloids:


Distance to: RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
0.07359085 Nganassan
0.09931251 Yukagir_Tundra
0.10359971 Evenk
0.10885747 Even
0.13698954 Todzin
0.14596669 Koryak
0.15399420 Dolgan
0.15680229 Itelmen
0.16735577 Negidal
0.17938165 Tuvinian
0.18081621 Chukchi
0.18186288 Nenets
0.18199543 Khamnegan
0.18213032 Nanai
0.18498571 Ulchi
0.18748766 Mogush
0.19592066 Oroqen
0.19647349 Yakut
0.20028235 Sakha
0.20409146 Selkup
0.20492880 Nivkh
0.21267850 Buryat
0.22454598 Khakass_Kachins
0.22578708 Eskimo_Sireniki
0.22579014 Eskimo_Chaplin

I think those aformentioned are the Krasnoyarsk_MLBA samples (except MLBA_o which also seems to be some ancient Uralic population).


Distance to: RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA
0.06485224 Finnish
0.06655519 Ingrian
0.06851760 Russian_Kostroma
0.06871934 Mordovian
0.07009319 Swedish
0.07050833 Norwegian
0.07257580 Icelandic
0.07343191 Finnish_East
0.07363636 Russian_Tver
0.07372172 Karelian
0.07384420 Shetlandic
0.07411734 Danish
0.07508902 Russian_Kursk
0.07543096 Dutch
0.07565374 Irish
0.07615465 Orcadian
0.07624388 Cossack_Kuban
0.07657218 Moldovan_o
0.07666148 Scottish
0.07724872 Russian_Orel
0.07844721 Vepsian
0.07913077 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.07913486 Czech
0.07998305 Slovakian
0.08040808 Afrikaner

Distance to: RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o
0.08014976 Udmurt
0.08417164 Saami
0.09215585 Bashkir
0.09539886 Besermyan
0.10762466 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.11086167 Tatar_Siberian
0.11406306 Mari
0.11622623 Chuvash
0.12289860 Mansi
0.12562817 Saami_Kola
0.12701749 Tlingit
0.12813015 Yukagir_Forest
0.13113283 Tatar_Kazan
0.13359626 Khanty
0.13469000 Komi
0.13501766 Tatar_Lipka
0.14635294 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.14795552 Ket
0.15518310 Uzbek
0.15824462 Tatar_Mishar
0.16068362 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.16071646 Nogai
0.16295147 Turkmen
0.17015999 Tubalar
0.17353787 Hazara_Afghanistan