View Poll Results: Which pop is more genetically unique in your opinion?

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  • Sardinian

    8 66.67%
  • Saami

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  • Both equally unique

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Thread: Who is genetically more unique in terms of European genetics: Sardinian or Saami?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Have you heard of this sample: VK_NOR_LN_HG? It seems to be either EHG or SHG with very minor CHG. For some reason it improve the distance fits for Saamis a bit, but it also seems to inflate the Anatolian admix in them.
    is it the same if you use Sidelkino instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Are they also Russians like you?
    They are Polish. Dude, you just named the two users, let's stop this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Its seems to be closest to modern Nganasans followed by other Arctic Mongoloids:


    Distance to: RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    0.07359085 Nganassan
    0.09931251 Yukagir_Tundra
    0.10359971 Evenk
    0.10885747 Even
    0.13698954 Todzin
    0.14596669 Koryak
    0.15399420 Dolgan
    0.15680229 Itelmen
    0.16735577 Negidal
    0.17938165 Tuvinian
    0.18081621 Chukchi
    0.18186288 Nenets
    0.18199543 Khamnegan
    0.18213032 Nanai
    0.18498571 Ulchi
    0.18748766 Mogush
    0.19592066 Oroqen
    0.19647349 Yakut
    0.20028235 Sakha
    0.20409146 Selkup
    0.20492880 Nivkh
    0.21267850 Buryat
    0.22454598 Khakass_Kachins
    0.22578708 Eskimo_Sireniki
    0.22579014 Eskimo_Chaplin

    I think those aformentioned are the Krasnoyarsk_MLBA samples (except MLBA_o which also seems to be some ancient Uralic population).


    Distance to: RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA
    0.06485224 Finnish
    0.06655519 Ingrian
    0.06851760 Russian_Kostroma
    0.06871934 Mordovian
    0.07009319 Swedish
    0.07050833 Norwegian
    0.07257580 Icelandic
    0.07343191 Finnish_East
    0.07363636 Russian_Tver
    0.07372172 Karelian
    0.07384420 Shetlandic
    0.07411734 Danish
    0.07508902 Russian_Kursk
    0.07543096 Dutch
    0.07565374 Irish
    0.07615465 Orcadian
    0.07624388 Cossack_Kuban
    0.07657218 Moldovan_o
    0.07666148 Scottish
    0.07724872 Russian_Orel
    0.07844721 Vepsian
    0.07913077 Cossack_Ukrainian
    0.07913486 Czech
    0.07998305 Slovakian
    0.08040808 Afrikaner

    Distance to: RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o
    0.08014976 Udmurt
    0.08417164 Saami
    0.09215585 Bashkir
    0.09539886 Besermyan
    0.10762466 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
    0.11086167 Tatar_Siberian
    0.11406306 Mari
    0.11622623 Chuvash
    0.12289860 Mansi
    0.12562817 Saami_Kola
    0.12701749 Tlingit
    0.12813015 Yukagir_Forest
    0.13113283 Tatar_Kazan
    0.13359626 Khanty
    0.13469000 Komi
    0.13501766 Tatar_Lipka
    0.14635294 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
    0.14795552 Ket
    0.15518310 Uzbek
    0.15824462 Tatar_Mishar
    0.16068362 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    0.16071646 Nogai
    0.16295147 Turkmen
    0.17015999 Tubalar
    0.17353787 Hazara_Afghanistan
    Oh yeah, now I think the Siberian ones were up North while the whites were down south, closer to modern Tuva.

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    Edited.
    Last edited by Zanzibar; 02-25-2021 at 03:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Oh yeah, now I think the Siberian ones were up North while the whites were down south, closer to modern Tuva.
    kra001 is pretty far south too (orange dot here) (https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/2/eabc4587):



    Afontova Gora is right next to kra001, and Wikipedia says that Afontova Gora is in the Altai-Sayan region (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afontova_Gora):



    In another paper, Afontova Gora was said to be "south-central Siberian": "Sequencing of another south-central Siberian, Afontova Gora-2 dating to approximately 17,000 years ago[14], revealed similar autosomal genetic signatures as MA-1" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4105016/).

    Both kra and Afontova Gora are near the city of Krasnoyarsk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Fascinating so we can see a two extreme genetic cline/polarity in modern Europe: Sardinian vs Saami similar to the distance runs I did in the above post. There seems to be a third main cline as well which is between Sardinian vs Bashkir and Mari. Or is that also part of the mega-Uralic shift just like the Saami vs Sardinian?
    There's not that much difference if Maris are substituted for Saami.

    Here's Maris vs Bulgarians (who are the second most extreme populations on the Travv scale):



    Here's Khanty vs Armenians, who are the most extreme populations on the Travv scale. Now in addition to Europeans, I also included the 50 populations closest to Khanty and the 50 populations closest to Armenians. Sardinians are now the furthest from Khanty, just like how they were the furthest from Mari in the image above.



    I think these images make it clear how most Europeans are located on the left side of the Travv scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Here is an example f3-test about the impact of the gene flows. Both populations have Siberian admixture, but in Finns the Evenk influence is bigger and in Saamis the Nganasan influence is bigger. If we suggest that Siberians are a homogeneous population giving approximately similar admixture rates, then we have to conclude that Nganasans have Saami admixture. In both test I had near million SNPs.

    Two f3-tests more to confirm the ratio between Nganasans and Evenks using populations nominally with zero Siberian admixture. Yes, the back noise shows similar ratio with Finns.


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    I would say Sardinians are more unique

    Distance to: Sardinian
    0.07422989 French_Corsica
    0.07622489 Spanish_La_Rioja
    0.08530642 Spanish_Menorca
    0.08564922 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.08596929 Spanish_Murcia
    0.08682517 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.08701870 Italian_Bergamo
    0.08706676 Spanish_Aragon
    0.08720758 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.08736874 Spanish_Castello

    Distance to: Saami_Kola
    0.03496789 Komi
    0.05165166 Saami
    0.05913623 Russian_Pinega
    0.06430985 Tatar_Kazan
    0.06453477 Tatar_Mishar
    0.06494169 Besermyan
    0.06853424 Vepsian
    0.07062872 Udmurt
    0.07111215 Finnish_East
    0.07199221 Karelian

    Distance to: Saami
    0.05165166 Saami_Kola
    0.05229796 Udmurt
    0.06021780 Besermyan
    0.07106311 Chuvash
    0.07375363 Komi
    0.08198600 Tatar_Kazan
    0.09534176 Mari
    0.10053647 Tatar_Mishar
    0.10443703 Tatar_Lipka
    0.10963287 Russian_Pinega

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown European View Post
    I would say Sardinians are more unique

    Distance to: Sardinian
    0.07422989 French_Corsica
    0.07622489 Spanish_La_Rioja
    0.08530642 Spanish_Menorca
    0.08564922 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.08596929 Spanish_Murcia
    0.08682517 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.08701870 Italian_Bergamo
    0.08706676 Spanish_Aragon
    0.08720758 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.08736874 Spanish_Castello

    Distance to: Saami_Kola
    0.03496789 Komi
    0.05165166 Saami
    0.05913623 Russian_Pinega
    0.06430985 Tatar_Kazan
    0.06453477 Tatar_Mishar
    0.06494169 Besermyan
    0.06853424 Vepsian
    0.07062872 Udmurt
    0.07111215 Finnish_East
    0.07199221 Karelian

    Distance to: Saami
    0.05165166 Saami_Kola
    0.05229796 Udmurt
    0.06021780 Besermyan
    0.07106311 Chuvash
    0.07375363 Komi
    0.08198600 Tatar_Kazan
    0.09534176 Mari
    0.10053647 Tatar_Mishar
    0.10443703 Tatar_Lipka
    0.10963287 Russian_Pinega
    Are you using population distance as the criteria in this Case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komintasavalta View Post
    There's not that much difference if Maris are substituted for Saami.

    Here's Maris vs Bulgarians (who are the second most extreme populations on the Travv scale):



    Here's Khanty vs Armenians, who are the most extreme populations on the Travv scale. Now in addition to Europeans, I also included the 50 populations closest to Khanty and the 50 populations closest to Armenians. Sardinians are now the furthest from Khanty, just like how they were the furthest from Mari in the image above.



    I think these images make it clear how most Europeans are located on the left side of the Travv scale.
    Yes it does. Clearly exhibits the wog vs uralic/siberian cline.
    Last edited by Zanzibar; 02-26-2021 at 12:21 PM.

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