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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    I'm not certain if the Nenets samples in G25 are Siberian or Kolvin/European Nenets.

    I wonder if these Komi samples are actually Komified Nenets...They score a lot higher Siberian than most Komis:
    I think they're Siberian Komi. By googling "GRC11049696", I found a data for a paper titled "The genetic basis of adaptation to climatic stress in Siberian indigenous populations": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/geo/que...i?acc=GSE73996. The sample IDs of all four Komis are included in the "GSE73996_SIBERIA.fam.gz" file:

    Code:
    $ gzip -dc GSE73996_SIBERIA.fam.gz|egrep GRC11049696\|GRC11049697\|GRC11052238\|GRC11052239
    681 GRC11049696 0 0 1 -9
    682 GRC11049697 0 0 1 -9
    1107 GRC11052238 0 0 1 -9
    1108 GRC11052239 0 0 1 -9
    Some of the Siberian Komi reindeer herders look very Mongoloid (https://www.arcticphoto.com/gallery1.../komi/komi.htm):


    "RY.2703-19: Two Komi sisters, Ksusha (left) and Albina Valeeva, wearing traditional reindeer skin clothing. Priuralsky District of the Yamal. NW Siberia, Russia"


    "RY.2702-10: Marina Valeeva, a young Komi woman, holds her six month old baby daughter, Tonya, inside her family's tent at a winter camp in the forest. Priuralsky District, Yamal, NW Siberia."


    "RY.2701-05: Albina Valeeva, a young Komi girl (left),playing outside with her brother, Matvey, at their family's winter camp in the forest. Priuralsky District, Yamal, NW Siberia."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komintasavalta View Post
    I haven't seen genetic results of European Nenetses compared to Siberian Nenetses. Some anthropologists considered European Nenetses or Kolvins to represent different types than Siberian Nenetses (http://heritage-institute.ru/wp-cont...anij_Tom_1.pdf, translated):

    The Nenets across the entire ethnic range from the White sea to Taimyr are characterized, in comparison with the ents and especially with the Nganasans, by a significant weakening of Mongoloid features and a decrease in many head and face sizes, primarily latitudinal; their body length is small – up to 160 cm on average in men. Despite the high level of mongoloidness on the West Siberian scale, the physical type of the Nenets includes very characteristic Ural features, namely, soft hair, reduced pigmentation of hair and eyes, a less flattened face, a high percentage of the concave shape of the back of the nose with an extremely rare convex shape, a relatively wide nose in the wings. This makes it possible to include this complex in the contact Uralic, or West Siberian according to Bagashev, race as one of the most Mongoloid and, obviously, autochthonous variants in the Far North. I suggested calling it the "North Ural" type of the Ural race.

    Racial type of the Nenets (which delineates the Northern periphery of the Ural race) is included anthropologists in its composition since the mid-twentieth century: Shluger and Cheboksarov in relation to the European tundra Nenets Small and Big Land as laponoidnye type Ural race, and Debetz and Levin as the Ural type (or race), against primarily the Asian tundra groups, including the Yenisei variant (or type) North of the Nenets of the Yamal Peninsula. S. A. Shluger himself considered the Yenisei variant as part of the South Siberian race.
    At present, when significant anthropological differences between the Finno-speaking and Ugro-Samoyed populations have been convincingly proved, it is advisable to support the second concept of the area of the modern Uralic race, limiting it only to the Western one Siberia with the adjacent part of the European (Nenets) Arctic. In essence, the Uralic race currently acts as a buffer Ural-Altaic group of types ("race") – intermediate between large racial trunks in Eurasia (Western - European and East – Asian Mongoloid) and intermediate complexes of complex Genesis in the Altai-Sayans. It is logical to include several well-known complexes (anthropologically peculiar, geographically related, racogenetically mixed by the main mechanism of education, historically related). On a global scale, they represent a single transition array that occupies most of the Western part of Siberia:
    1) the Ural type proper (represented by the Khanty and Mansi),
    2) Ob-Irtysh type (Selkups, Chulyms, part of the Siberian Tatars, others - among the Khakass-Kyzyl people and in a number of groups of Siberian Tatars),
    3) North Ural type (Nenets, except Kolvinsky),
    4) Yenisei type (Kets),
    5) transitional to the South Siberian type ("race") - the North Altai type according to A. R. Kim, also known as the Ural-Altaic type of A. I. Yarcho (Shors, a part of the Teleut, Northern Altaians, and part of the Khakas). In the classification, it is legitimate to consider the position of this type as the Northern periphery of the area of the South Siberian race as the Altai-Sayan type in the terminology of V. p. Alekseev.

    Two Nenetses from the G25 datasheet clustered together with Khanty:



    Code:
    curl -Ls 'drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HYrDwxEXv82DvDLoq736pS5ZTGJA4dn5'>modernind
    awk -F: 'NR==FNR{a[$0];next}FNR==1||$1 in a' <(printf %s\\n Besermyan Finnish Finnish_East Ingrian Karelian Komi Mari Mordovian Saami Saami_Kola Udmurt Vepsian Nenets Nganassan Selkup Khanty Mansi Estonian Hungarian) modernind>picks
    R -e 'library(ggplot2);library(factoextra);library(colorspace)
    t<-read.csv("picks",header=T,row.names=1)
    p<-prcomp(t)
    k<-hkmeans(p$x,16)
    pct<-paste0(colnames(p$x)," (",round(p$sdev/sum(p$sdev)*100,1),"%)")
    ggplot(p$x,aes(x=PC1,y=PC2,label=rownames(p$x)))+
    theme_dark()+
    geom_text(aes(color=as.factor(k$cluster)),size=2,show.legend=F)+
    theme(
      plot.background=element_rect(fill="gray35"),
      panel.background=element_rect(fill="gray20"),
      panel.grid.major=element_line(color="gray35"),
      panel.grid.minor=element_blank(),
      text=element_text(color="gray10"),
      axis.text=element_text(color="gray10"),
      axis.ticks.x=element_blank(),
      axis.ticks.y=element_blank()
    )+
    scale_x_continuous(breaks=seq(-1,1,.1),expand=expansion(mult=.17))+
    scale_y_continuous(breaks=seq(-1,1,.1),expand=expansion(mult=.05))+
    xlab(pct[1])+ylab(pct[2])+
    scale_color_discrete_qualitative(palette="Set 3")
    ggsave("a.png")'
    Just found that there are recently included Forest_Nentsi and Tundra_Nentsi samples in G25 modern individual spreadsheet. They haven't been average yet, so I decided to do them. Here are the averages of the two new sets of Nenets samples:

    Forest_Nentsi,0.067358893,-0.288337893,0.131682429,0.03657975,-0.1223635,-0.056027214,0.017541964,0.025770893,0.01321375,-0.014442179,0.078851179,0.001760929,0.011961857,-0.066845357,-0.022844643,-0.012894357,-0.004316571,0.006406786,0.010437357,-0.0099065,0.007170393,0.02140075,0.036366893,-0.007160857,-0.004896821

    Tundra_Nentsi,0.069782231,-0.273255462,0.127408769,0.034064077,-0.116045308,-0.050779615,0.017155769,0.025703077,0.012586154,-0.013401462,0.069527231,0.001902077,0.010554923,-0.054773769,-0.018228231,-0.009842231,1E-05,0.005145308,0.006072154,-0.007859538,0.008648231,0.016293692,0.027787692,-0.002224615,-0.001381692

    Here is how the average Forest_Nentsi score:

    Target: Forest_Nentsi
    Distance: 5.1424% / 0.05142374
    68.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    22.8 KAZ_Botai
    5.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.0 Baltic_LVA_MN
    1.0 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke

    Here is the average Tundra_Nentsi

    Target: Tundra_Nentsi
    Distance: 3.7619% / 0.03761905
    67.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    15.6 KAZ_Botai
    6.8 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke
    6.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    3.4 Baltic_LVA_MN
    0.8 RUS_Progress_En

    Compare to the average Nenets:

    Target: Nenets
    Distance: 4.1899% / 0.04189894
    66.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    15.2 KAZ_Botai
    6.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    5.8 Baltic_LVA_MN
    3.6 RUS_Progress_En
    3.2 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke

    The three averages seem almost identical, except that the Forest_Nenets have higher Western Siberian Hunter Gatherer ancestry (represented by Botai from Kazakhstan) compared to the other two Nenets populations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian

    West Siberian Hunter-Gatherer (WSG) are a specific archaeogenetic lineage, first reported in a genetic study published in Science in September 2019. WSGs were found to be of about 30% EHG ancestry, 50% ANE ancestry, and 20% East Asian ancestry.[19]
    I'm not sure whether Forest_Nentsi is European or Tundra_Nentsi is Siberian though.. Also don't know which group is the Nenets samples in G25 but probably Tundra_Nentsi as they score very similar.

    Closest individual pops to the Nenets, Forest_Nentsi and Tundra_Nentsi average:

    Distance to: Nenets
    0.02017607 Nenets:nenets11
    0.02702649 Nenets:nenets1
    0.02807337 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052199
    0.02946784 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049675
    0.02997094 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049664
    0.03017925 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049735
    0.03047640 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052209
    0.03057408 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049668
    0.03090872 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049733
    0.03116680 Nenets:nenets5
    0.03185948 Nenets:nenets9
    0.03214378 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049738
    0.03218449 Nenets:nenets4
    0.03254554 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052202
    0.03303185 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052206
    0.03350641 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049740
    0.03407521 Selkup:selkup2
    0.03438560 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049731
    0.03454281 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052213
    0.03501028 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049663
    0.03531638 Selkup:Selkup82
    0.03634014 Selkup:GRC11056548
    0.03649884 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052214
    0.03664205 Selkup:Selkup15a
    0.03738869 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049662

    Distance to: Forest_Nentsi
    0.01637090 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049735
    0.01748825 Nenets:nenets9
    0.01882758 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052214
    0.01947087 Nenets:nenets14
    0.02052541 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052215
    0.02054525 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052206
    0.02058620 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049664
    0.02073195 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052202
    0.02079824 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052209
    0.02090835 Nenets:nenets5
    0.02159324 Nenets:nenets2
    0.02187740 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052208
    0.02225799 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049675
    0.02227567 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049666
    0.02327693 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049731
    0.02347195 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049740
    0.02358943 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049733
    0.02394968 Nenets:nenets13
    0.02399497 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052213
    0.02407102 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049676
    0.02444728 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049672
    0.02457463 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049671
    0.02486970 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049667
    0.02510380 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049663
    0.02513374 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052204


    Distance to: Tundra_Nenets
    0.02187586 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049664
    0.02432495 Nenets:nenets11
    0.02590826 Nenets:nenets1
    0.02663515 Nenets:nenets9
    0.02687009 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049738
    0.02823681 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049740
    0.02900872 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052209
    0.02911875 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049675
    0.02918888 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049668
    0.02924096 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049735
    0.02948267 Nenets:nenets5
    0.03086267 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049663
    0.03189460 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052206
    0.03202828 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052214
    0.03222991 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049733
    0.03284615 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049731
    0.03286802 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052199
    0.03289001 Nenets:nenets14
    0.03330759 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052213
    0.03430137 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052202
    0.03527001 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11052207
    0.03630616 Tundra_Nentsi:GRC11049737
    0.03666012 Selkup:selkup2
    0.03670530 Forest_Nentsi:GRC11049662
    0.03680718 Nenets:nenets13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    What is the population that you use as a proxy for the extra Steppe?

    I believe that Krasnoyarsk_BA is the same sample as kra001:

    RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.0837 92,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.0128 13

    Actually the WSHG samples have already be added: they are KAZ_Botai, RUS_Sosonivoy_HG, RUS_Tyumen_HG if I remembered correctly.

    What is Volga Kama's genetic composition? Mereke is like other Yamnaya pop but very little EEF compared to others and possibly minor Iran_N as well?
    Volga Kama looks like pure EHG pretty much, maybe with a slight CHG shift. I prefer using Afontova Gora and Grotta Constinenza Meso for a pure ANE and WHG.
    And Mereke just looks like a normal Yamnaya.

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    Is that Nenets data available for Gedmatch? I'd like to have it for Dodecad Vahaduo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komintasavalta View Post


    this PCA shows the Khanty and Mari components which I talked about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Is that Nenets data available for Gedmatch? I'd like to have it for Dodecad Vahaduo.
    Not sure. I have seen some Nenets samples before on Gedmatch but it was a long time ago (like almost 2-3 years ago). Nonetheless, I can't remember the email address of the user that uploaded them. Don't know if the samples are still there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Not sure. I have seen some Nenets samples before on Gedmatch but it was a long time ago (like almost 2-3 years ago). Nonetheless, I can't remember the email address of the user that uploaded them. Don't know if the samples are still there.
    Yes, I had those 2-3 samples but for an average we'd need more.
    Anyway, I'm kinda tired of begging certain people for data, two guys in particular. They treat it as some kind of precious information available only to the chosen few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Joqool



    EEF is somewhat inaccurate definition. Early Neolithic would be better binding samples to the Neolithic era and to the time of first farmers moved from Anatolia.

    I prefer Evenks in using Siberian references. Eastern Nenets are excellent Siberians, but unfortunately the westward migration brought their genes near Saamis and, as Komintasavalta proved, they brought admixtures to the East Europe. Some of them have European admixture and some European have Nenets admixture, especially European FU people. Many genetic tests notice the difference between even purest Siberian admixtures and the result among those Europeans depends on this specific Siberian sign. Thus it is better to use neutral Siberian reference. Someone can say that Evenks have East Asian admixture, but it is still better than use East Asians. Take into account that these results using Vahaduo and other similar methods are summaries and don't reveal the genetic data behind. In principle two pure Siberian references can give you different results due to a known or unknown genetic flow in either direction regardless of are you using PCA or Admixture.
    Intriguing. Thank you for explaining.

    Are Evenks an even more suitable Siberian reference than even Nganasan or kra001/Krasnoyarsk_BA?

    Btw I decide to run this for fun: to see whether Europeans in general are closer to Sardinian or Saami. And the results are a bit mind-blowing. I decided to add Mari as well as I want to see whether Euros would farther away from them than from the Saami:

    Distance to: English
    0.15276131 Sardinian
    0.19782542 Saami
    0.24241418 Mari

    Distance to: Irish
    0.16018707 Sardinian
    0.19534091 Saami
    0.24118352 Mari

    Distance to: Dutch
    0.15799445 Sardinian
    0.19087737 Saami
    0.23635703 Mari

    Distance to: German
    0.14745092 Sardinian
    0.19719818 Saami
    0.24026907 Mari

    Distance to: Swedish
    0.17189064 Sardinian
    0.18279075 Saami
    0.23172467 Mari

    Distance to: Icelandic
    0.16936372 Sardinian
    0.19039592 Saami
    0.23796045 Mari

    Distance to: French_Nord
    0.12843205 Sardinian
    0.20682974 Saami
    0.24698158 Mari

    Distance to: Spanish_Aragon
    0.08706676 Sardinian
    0.23259576 Saami
    0.26748702 Mari

    Distance to: Italian_Piedmont
    0.09271959 Sardinian
    0.23687648 Saami
    0.26465765 Mari

    Distance to: Greek_Thessaly
    0.10353165 Sardinian
    0.23847295 Saami
    0.26448795 Mari

    Distance to: Bulgarian
    0.12263176 Sardinian
    0.21418889 Saami
    0.24468364 Mari

    Distance to: Romanian
    0.12430481 Sardinian
    0.20953171 Saami
    0.24252065 Mari

    Distance to: Hungarian
    0.15167891 Sardinian
    0.18949914 Saami
    0.23081106 Mari

    Distance to: Czech
    0.16388889 Sardinian
    0.18862550 Saami
    0.23404842 Mari

    Distance to: Polish
    0.18101803 Sardinian
    0.18381285 Saami
    0.22981453 Mari

    It seems that when you get to NE Europe, locals begin to genetically shift closer to Saami than to Sardinians: probably due to lower Neolithic and higher WHG

    Distance to: Latvian
    0.17931411 Saami
    0.22550326 Sardinian
    0.23128921 Mari

    Distance to: Estonian
    0.16632238 Saami
    0.21481596 Sardinian
    0.21763448 Mari

    Distance to: Finnish
    0.13826217 Saami
    0.19255765 Mari
    0.21175799 Sardinian

    Distance to: Karelian
    0.12213113 Saami
    0.17761686 Mari
    0.22567617 Sardinian

    Distance to: Russian_Tver
    0.16075159 Saami
    0.20459541 Sardinian
    0.21081083 Mari

    Distance to: Russian_Pinega
    0.10963287 Saami
    0.16281645 Mari
    0.23264898 Sardinian

    Distance to: Russian_Kursk
    0.16900683 Saami
    0.19637821 Sardinian
    0.21549021 Mari

    Distance to: Belarusian
    0.17926072 Saami
    0.19834510 Sardinian
    0.22654627 Mari

    Distance to: Ukrainian
    0.17927329 Saami
    0.18478019 Sardinian
    0.22486058 Mari

    Distance to: Ukrainian_B
    0.17539759 Sardinian
    0.17884364 Saami
    0.22160807 Mari

    The distance run above exhibits the two extreme genetic clines in modern Europe pretty well: Sardinian vs Saami.

    Seems like most Europeans are genetically closer to Sardinians than to Saamis except Finland, the Baltics and Russia/Belarus. Plausibly due to the heavy Neolithicization which pulls most Euros closer to the former. Also its remarkable how genetically distant the Mari are to almost everyone else in Europe except those heavily East Eurasian admixed which show how distinct Uralics are genetically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Yes, I had those 2-3 samples but for an average we'd need more.
    Anyway, I'm kinda tired of begging certain people for data, two guys in particular. They treat it as some kind of precious information available only to the chosen few.
    I don't know the papers or dataset that David acquired to upload those new Nenets samples. But if we can find it, maybe we can ask Peterski or Lucas to upload them to Gedmatch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    this PCA shows the Khanty and Mari components which I talked about.
    Yeah. Here I added Chuvashes. There's a Mari-Chuvash component at PC4. At PC3, there's a cline with Hungarians at one end and Saami and Finnics at the other end. (This is not based on the original G25 coordinates but on a new PCA done on top of them.)



    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Btw I decide to run this for fun: to see whether Europeans in general are closer to Sardinian or Saami.
    Here's it visualized. This is still based on G25 because I'm a scrub, but I'm learning. Sardinians are the furthest from Saami, but Bashkirs are the furthest from Sardinians. The colors are based on hkmeans clustering of all 25 components in G25 (so it's not just based on the values of the x and y axis shown here).


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