Why isn't Basque language indo-European, if vast majority of Basques are R1a and R1b?

[gixajo]

Basques are the pre-IE survivors of Iberia. Either this haplogroup was already present before IE-expansion or it has to do with some kind of population emerging process. Besides of that in my knowledge they are still distant to all in Europe, even a bit to Spanish people(or?). I read that according Roman sources there were some mixing with other groups so having some steppe admixture isn’t really surprising. A bit off topic maybe but interesting, some claim there is a connection to Caucasus, at least we can say that both groups survived the IE-expansion and are maybe even older than any other language in Western Eurasia.

Basically a Basque genetically is an Iberian from that zone of the peninsula without (or with few) other later genetic inputs.

So a "pure" nowadays Basque is similar to any non Basque Iberian peninsular in around 75-95%.

Basques are not genetically any survivor of anything.

Edit:Language is, but Basque syntax basically, because semantics is heavily influenced by IE languages.

[Flashball]

Like central sardinians are 0% indo-european (genetically) and they speak a indo-european langage.

[Blondie]

Elder then Hebrew and Armenian?

I think yes, but i cannot prove it because the origin of basque language is unknown.

[Immanenz]

because language was taught by mothers actually r1b dominance is because of bottle neck situation

I also think Basque is a Neolithic Farmer language but has some Paleo Substrat, this makes more sense than a langugage that survived even the expansion of Farmers, especially since Basque are strongly Farmers genetically, like the rest of Iberia too.

[Cleitus]

I think the basque language is a mesolithic survivor and the oldest langauge in the world, older than chinese or indian.

Most likely not mesolithic, neolithic if anything.

[Suinthila]

one thing is Genetics, and another different thing is tradition or culture.

besides, the extension of the basque language was ridiculously low, only through the fact of some nationalistic elements could be, say, "rebuilt" from those scarces places where it still was spoken different varieties of it, and building an artificial language --unified-- that was called "euskara batua", which was taught massively in the schools of the basque provinces --ikastolas.

spanish laws protect all kind of cultural expressions in our land, especially languages. This fact, along with the existence of strong autonomies, have helped to worship these old languages, many of them weren't still spoken by the same students's father-- and raised up to the maximal expression of a false unique indentity, that would award them the right to the autodetermination as independents states, some have attempted.

From any point of view, totally ridiculous and hilarious. But such an ideology has found an audience and milatancy among some people, over the base on repeating over and over again the same lies, and even manipulating the same History.

Remains of the old german idealism and nationalism, that successful in the XIX century. And that led Europe to what all of us well know, the most deep destruction and ruine.

But it really works for some nationalist politicians, by getting pots and pots of votes and keeping up being in the government of such myriade of autonomies, as if they were the kinglets or emirs of the old muslim micro-states in the Old Al-Andalus. A true involution in plein XXI century.

[Creoda]

It would be fairly miraculous for Basque to be a Neolithic Iberian derived survivor. It could well have come from R1b men, but we'll probably never know.

[Cleitus]

It would be fairly miraculous for Basque to be a Neolithic Iberian derived survivor. It could well have come from R1b men, but we'll probably never know.

Basque is geographically surrounded by Romance languages but is a language isolate unrelated to them, and indeed, to any other language in the world. It is the last remaining descendant of one of the pre-Indo-European languages of Western Europe, the others being extinct outright.

[gixajo]

Like central sardinians are 0% indo-european (genetically) and they speak a indo-european langage.

In my opinion those Sardinian "pure" individuals are more unique genetically regarding the surrounding areas than Basques.

[Defcon2]

Basically a Basque genetically is an Iberian from that zone of the peninsula without (or with few) other later genetic inputs.

So a "pure" nowadays Basque is similar to any non Basque Iberian peninsular in around 75-95%.

Basques are not genetically any survivor of anything.

Edit:Language is, but Basque syntax basically, because semantics is heavily influenced by IE languages.

The Basques only represent the Iberian IA in the best of cases, they have had external contributions up to that date.

The Iron Age is a very modern period of history, nothing spectacular.