RACES 101 (Old World) -For newbies

[Hektor12]

Tatar, Chuvash and Mari are in a different cluster than Turks. This is massive cope.

I did draw the line by phenotypes overlap, not by autosomal clustering. And you are a big politically-driven non-objective person. Im done with you.

[ixulescu]

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Lmao pure ignorance i wish i was ignorant as well

only East Anaolia is ~10%

Northwest Anatolia is ~35%

Southwest "" ~34%

South "" ~36%

ok, how did you compute these numbers?

[ixulescu]

I did draw the line by phenotypes overlap, not by autosomal clustering. And you are a big politically-driven non-objective person. Im done with you.

I don't give a shit. You tried to make a cluster where there wasn't one.

[Altaylı]

ok, how did you compute these numbers?

Anatolian Turks scores DA89 Gokturk like this:

[Hektor12]

Finns, hungarians, eastonians are not eurasian race, they are europids/europeans. The uralic group is a linguistic group not ethnic group.

I didnt include Hungarians and Estonians. As for Finns; Finland people are mostly nordic and baltic but i wanted to point out original/-or "eastern" Finns, how they call "Finngolians".

[Blondie]

I didnt include Hungarians and Estonians. As for Finns; Finland people are mostly nordic and baltic but i wanted to point out original/-or "eastern" Finns, how they call "Finngolians".

Btw the looking can be misleading, for example the hungarian user Chris looks turanid and genetically he is almost pure balkanite, or Laly is also eastern looking and she is pure west european. Eastern finns have 4-8% siberian dna what is not much.

[Hektor12]

Btw the looking can be misleading,

Yes, people dont understand. Some few MENA-shifted looking Turks are also genetically Turkish, like Laly or Chris, but people only consider this flaws when its good for europeans. When its good for Turks, they will try to ignore the fact or search another option.

[Altaylı]

Btw the looking can be misleading, for example the hungarian user Chris looks turanid and genetically he is almost pure balkanite, or Laly is also eastern looking and she is pure west european. Eastern finns have 4-8% siberian dna what is not much.

4-8% east eurasia is high

[Komintasavalta]

Bro im not an aggressive person but pls take this and fuck off from here. I dont have a minute to waste on you.

That's conveniently missing Saami and Komis and Mishars, who might be borderline Eurasian according to that model.

Actually the border between Eurasians and Europeans runs right of Finns and right of Turks. Finns are clearly separated from mainstream Europeans, just like Turks are.



I selected the populations in the image above manually, but here's how you can make an image that includes population that are the closest to Mishars:

library(tidyverse)
library(colorspace)

download.file("https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HYrDwxEXv82DvDLoq736pS5ZTGJA4dn5","modernind")

t=read.csv("modernind",header=T,row.names=1)

v=t["Tatar_Mishar:TTR-241",]
dist=apply(t,1,function(x)sqrt(sum((x-v)^2)))
t=t[names(head(sort(dist),4096)),]

p=prcomp(t)
p2=as.data.frame(p$x)
p2$pop=sub(":.*","",row.names(t))

# p2$PC1=-p2$PC1 # uncomment to mirror PC1

p2=p2%>%add_count(pop)%>%filter(n>=3)

hull=p2%>%group_by(pop)%>%slice(chull(PC1,PC2))

cen=aggregate(p2,by=list(p2$pop),mean)

pct=paste0(colnames(p$x)," (",sprintf("%.1f",p$sdev/sum(p$sdev)*100),"%)")

ggplot(p2,aes(x=PC1,y=PC2))+
geom_text(data=cen,aes(x=PC1,y=PC2,label=Group.1,color=Group.1),size=2)+
geom_polygon(data=hull,alpha=.2,aes(color=as.factor(pop),fill=as.factor(pop)),size=0)+
theme(
  aspect.ratio=3/4,
  legend.position="none",
  axis.ticks.x=element_blank(),
  axis.ticks.y=element_blank(),
  axis.ticks.length=unit(0,"pt"),
  panel.background=element_rect(fill="white"),
  panel.grid.major=element_blank(),
  panel.grid.minor=element_blank(),
  axis.text=element_text(color="black")
)+
xlab(pct[1])+ylab(pct[2])+
scale_color_discrete_qualitative(palette="Dark 2")+
ggsave("/tmp/a.png")
system("/usr/local/bin/mogrify -trim -bordercolor white -border 8 /tmp/a.png")

[travv]

4-8% east eurasia is high

Mari have about 30-35% Siberian. It's good for them I think they are the most anti-wog Europeans.