POLL - Portuguese look closer to Moroccans or Swedish? (read OP at least)

[Defcon2]

???
North Italians have Central European ancestry (including Slavic admixture) in the east, and French admixture in the west. This makes them closer to Central Europeans than Iberians are. Isn't it logical that they should look more Central European?

Distance to:	Austrian
0.05661876	Italian_Veneto
0.06854776	Portuguese

Some Spanish regions are closer to Austria, I don't think that makes them more phenotypically similar to Central Europeans.

Distance to:	Austrian
0.04370251	Italian_Northeast
0.04824544	Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05420183	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.05490852	Spanish_Penedes
0.05505521	Spanish_Barcelones
0.05566147	Spanish_Girona
0.05580439	Spanish_Mallorca
0.05661876	Italian_Veneto
0.05668899	Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.05682530	Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.05821943	Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.05909344	Spanish_Lleida
0.05982964	Spanish_Cataluna
0.06017045	Spanish_Baleares
0.06198276	Spanish_Eivissa
0.06202840	Spanish_Pirineu
0.06245494	Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.06331185	Spanish_Castello
0.06342982	Spanish_Valencia
0.06430380	Spanish_Menorca
0.06441369	Spanish_Cantabria
0.06453806	Spanish_Galicia
0.06478854	Spanish_Alacant
0.06494457	Italian_Bergamo
0.06613163	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

[Defcon2]

Double.

[Token]

Some Spanish regions are closer to Austria, I don't think that makes them more phenotypically similar to Central Europeans.

Distance to:	Austrian
0.04370251	Italian_Northeast
0.04824544	Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05420183	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.05490852	Spanish_Penedes
0.05505521	Spanish_Barcelones
0.05566147	Spanish_Girona
0.05580439	Spanish_Mallorca
0.05661876	Italian_Veneto
0.05668899	Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.05682530	Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.05821943	Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.05909344	Spanish_Lleida
0.05982964	Spanish_Cataluna
0.06017045	Spanish_Baleares
0.06198276	Spanish_Eivissa
0.06202840	Spanish_Pirineu
0.06245494	Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.06331185	Spanish_Castello
0.06342982	Spanish_Valencia
0.06430380	Spanish_Menorca
0.06441369	Spanish_Cantabria
0.06453806	Spanish_Galicia
0.06478854	Spanish_Alacant
0.06494457	Italian_Bergamo
0.06613163	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

Yeah, Spanish regions inhabited by Occitans

[Defcon2]

Yeah, Spanish regions inhabited by Occitans

So the Catalans are not Iberian? Rafael Nadal, who is from the Balearic Islands, does he look like a Central European like a Venetian?

[Tenma de Pegasus]

School of Marrakesh in Western Sahara:

[Septentrion]

The objective of the OP is not to provide conclusions, but to give you some data and make some minor analysis, for you to take your own conclusions and vote.
It will look at The Blade's studies of the three countries, and use morphs.

Blade's studies:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...r+distribution
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...highlight=1144
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...r+distribution
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Why are The Blade's studies reliable?

-they look at large groups of people, from many occupations
-they use the same criteria for light hair/eyes/phenotypes for every country, so are excellent for comparisons
-he filters out great quantities of dyed hair among females, that he can spot by looking at roots and perhaps other factors (among males, the percentage of dyed hair is insignificant, but he filtered/would filter them out if he spotted them)
-eye colour should be very accurate as well, as the use of coloured contact lenses is pretty insignificant
-about the Portugal study, I talked to him by pm, and he told me no group analysed was significantely lighter or darker, except footballers, that were darker (this is demonstrated further on)
-a study such as his, is better than stereotypes

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Eye Colour

Light eyes
Sweden: 84,63%
Portugal: 49,35%
Morocco: 13,68%

Blue and blue-mixed eyes:
Sweden: 62,57%
Portugal: 21,72%
Morocco: 6,38%


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Hair Colour

Blond hair:
Sweden: 30,93%
Portugal: 12,41%
Morocco: 1,09%

Red, red-brown and red-blond hair (not switched up):
Sweden: 2,79%
Portugal: 6,12%
Morocco: 0,9%

Sum of the values for each country:
Sweden: 33,72%
Portugal: 18.53
Morocco: 1,99%

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Blade's passability analysis

(this is not exact math, and it's about individual passability until a certain degree of atypicality)

Moroccans in Portugal - 20%-25% of wemen, 5% of men

Portuguese in Sweden - 25%-30% of wemen, 18%-20% of men

Swedish in Portugal - vast majority of people pass on the lighter side of the Portuguese spectrum (don't have to be as Nordic looking as Portuguese people such as footballer Ruizinho Furtado or singer Sofia Ribeiro "Lince")

Portuguese in Morocco - less than Swedish in Portugal

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Morphs

The Blade has stressed that in Iberia and other places with a sizeable ectomorph Gracile Med and related minority, these types get canalized to sports with the characteristics and type of skill of football, therefore, footballers are darker and less robust than other groups analysed, the opposite happening in rugby for instance; this has been noticed time and time again by people in the anthro comunity, I even saw some more reosanable ItalicRoots people admitting it, maybe because they noticed they were cherrypicking many footballers.

Swedish Morphs (1st one may be more representative because of Cro-Magnon element, second ones are footballers - a similar phenomena may happen here, regarding robustness, according to The Blade)



Portuguese Morphs and More (footballers, rugby players, combined-most accurate_also match Blade's hair/eye/phenotype average well; morph made from 1st Swedish and 1st Moroccan, morph made from 1st Swedish and 2nd Moroccan - these last two are meant as a half-term between Morocco and Sweden, to compare to Portugal)






Moroccan Morphs (one approved by Moroccan members Adamm and Hamilcar, but Hamilcar said it was "somewhat ok" but "darker than average"; one aproved by The Blade)



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Thanks to everyone that helped me.

You cannot rely on Blade for pigmentation studies. He is an amateur and biased. He made Bulgaria his own country, one of the blondest European nation. I well know that no more than 12% of those southerners are blond! Bulgaria isn’t any much blonder than Portugal! Besides that, put it in your head that the Portuguese and Swedish people are primarily a European people what we often call White people. Now the difference are that the Portuguese belong to the Mediterranean branch of the White race, while the Swedish belong to the Nordic branch of the same race. The White race is not evenly matched or identical, there are many features and pigmentation traits. So as a whole, the Portuguese are swarthier in eye and hair color, also somewhat in skin color than Swedish folks. As Sweden is one of the northernmost countries in Europe and Portugal one of the southernmost countries in Europe. Pigmentation in Europe decreases or gets lighter from south to north, although there are details about it. However the Portuguese and Swedish are still more similar to each other compare to any non - European or non - White population on earth.
Moroccans are a non - European or non - White population, therefore none should be surprised to see the great differences between them and the Europeans. Now due to. the fact that the Portuguese are generally a swarthy White group doesn’t make them more similar to the Moroccans ! Even despite some of intermingling during Moorish or Carthaginian occupation where Northern African blood entered the Portuguese genetic pool, the Portuguese as a whole remained predominantly European ( Southern Euro ). Moroccans on the other hand also had some European blood but remained by far predominantly African ( Northern Afros ) and belongs generally to the Orientalid or Brown race of Northern Africa + Middle East. The Portuguese are just as European as the Swedish despite the fact that there are clear differences between the two groups.

[Damião de Góis]

Would she not pass in Belgium even, on that pic? Not the most typical there, but perhaps yes

Not a chance, they would guess her as straight from the Sahara.

Ant those are tanned ones even, you can see it, and it's warm season, because of the clothing.

It has now been confirmed by Hamilcar that the portuguese and moroccans look largely like each other. Which is why he mistook every portuguese in Belgium as moroccan (it was what "they" had been saying for months after all). The picture of the Benfica fans confirmed it.

Beautiful place , I take it you have been there. Didn't show up in my first google search. You can say you have roots from SW Trás-os-Montes and Alto Douro, or Vila Real District.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Portugal

People from Vila Real look moroccan, as was determined by the "portuguese" diaspora.

[Hamilcar]

Nassbean, why in bloody hell are you in a rift with the Portuguese, and why are you so desperate to lightwash North Africans and darkwash Iberians once again?

You never saw any portuguese in your life nor did you went to Spain or Portugal why do you even talk ? Moreover I barely wrote anything here I answered to some idiots who claimed I lightwash my people. Why do you talk to me while most people on this thread said closer to moroccans ?

[Oliver109]

School of Marrakesh in Western Sahara:

There's more white kids there than in most London schools lol

[Zeno]

You never saw any portuguese in your life nor did you went to Spain or Portugal why do you even talk ? Moreover I barely wrote anything here I answered to some idiots who claimed I lightwash my people. Why do you talk to me while most people on this thread said closer to moroccans ?

I've seen quite a lot of Iberians irl, tourists as it's obvious.

And you're quite in a rift with Viriato and hurtuv trying to force the narrative that because of the fact that some Portuguese are darker than the average that they're necessarily inextricably linked to Moroccans. Like why?