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    Rousseau, Marx was a leech and wouldn't have accomplished much of anything without Engels.
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    Rousseau by far, at least Marx on the other hand wasn't imbecil.

    In fact Rousseau idea won, we are living in his world today, especially we Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Rousseau's ideas of "the collective will" and "forcing people to be free" were very totalitarian. And believing that humans have a tendency to be bad was a major motivation behind the US Constitution, since the country's founders believed that politicians needed their power to be severely constrained in order to precisely minimise the risk of abuse.
    Also, the US founders were allergic to mob rule, which the Jacobins were all for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    Oh NO.
    If you (as a dictator) think that everyone is wicked and rule accordingly, everyone is going to be.
    If you trust in mankind's inherent moral goodness, chances are that at least a minority is going to behave as good persons.


    Marx is pure evil. But he was influential thanks to his incredible writing talent (the most powerful polemical prose German literature has ever produced).
    I like Rousseau much better.
    And take notice that he can be seen as the father of ethnic democracy.
    He explicitly wrote that real democracy could work only within a community sharing the same culture, same records, and same references.
    Marx later followed by Lenine and all the rest haven't invented so much because they, have, all coped everything on Pierre-Joseph Proudhon,better to read ,Proudhon, Zo d'Axa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Joseph_Proudhon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zo_d%27Axa
    than Karl Marx

    Rousseau is the romantic free-masonic enlighment mindset from the poshy elite class,called also bourgoisie, and quite fucking boring

    indeed the french revolution is a total scam in the big lines,nothing haven't really change ,without a straight participative democracy otherwise is still the feodal system with new "kings" and few adjugments ,kings of money,kings of politics,kings of the biggest absurd blah blah blah etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolfrenchguy View Post
    Marx later followed by Lenine and all the rest haven't invented so much because they, have, all coped everything on Pierre-Joseph Proudhon,better to read ,Proudhon, Zo d'Axa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Joseph_Proudhon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zo_d%27Axa
    than Karl Marx

    Rousseau is the romantic free-masonic enlighment mindset from the poshy elite class,called also bourgoisie, and quite fucking boring

    indeed the french revolution is a total scam in the big lines,nothing haven't really change ,without a straight participative democracy otherwise is still the feodal system with new "kings" and few adjugments ,kings of money,kings of politics,kings of the biggest absurd blah blah blah etc
    oops,sorry i would mean adjustments and not adjugments
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    French style liberals (better to call them radicals, progressives, modern republicans). Nasty.
    Rousseau, Condorcet, Thomas Paine, Priestley. Just early versions of the far left. I would probably put Jefferson and Spinoza in this grouping here maybe.
    These people favored revolution, anticleric views, and hostile to religion and conservative. rationalists in general.

    English style liberals (now wrongly called conservative by some). they were empiricist.
    Smith, Burke, Hume, Montesquieu, Tocqueville are more acceptable but still they were a problem to actual conservatives.
    Only acceptable ones were were national liberals and unionists (they added some social conservativism to their classical liberalism)

    Marx is just a theorist, his "scientific marxism" isnt scientific.
    Overrated, critic of capitalism is okay, his solutions suck.
    His ideas were perverted by many Communists in the future.

    What can I say? I dont like leftists. Hell most of today moderates and many American "conservatives"/Republicans are just leftists of yesterday.
    unfortunatly ,they prefer to follow Marx,Adam Smith,Keynes into a kind of strange mix that you could ,than i call the marxismo-smitho-keynesianism
    i piss on marx,adam smith and keynes,they are just the faces of the same coin
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