The hypocrisy of many feminists and social conservatives alike

[Tooting Carmen]

Having read this article about the Aussie actor Chris Hemsworth got me thinking: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...ChrisHemsworth

We live in an age where the mere sight of a breast is considered 'degrading' and 'exploitative', yet treating men as sex objects, constantly getting them to take their shirts off and to undergo often horrific diet and exercise routines in order to 'look good', are considered to be tolerable or even commendable.

What is even more ironic is how, in a classic example of how les extremes se touchent, both social conservatives on the Right and radical feminists on the Left engage in this double standard and myopic way of thinking about sex.

[Tooting Carmen]

One major reason for the market in porn is precisely because of the very mystique surrounding women's bodies and sexuality that both political extremes want to perpetuate. If topless women were seen as just as innocuous as topless men in everyday life and popular culture, then there wouldn't be this huge demand in 'dirty' magazines and websites. In any event, if we accept that men like to show off their bodies in order to enhance their sex appeal, popularity and wealth, then why should we frown upon women who want to do the same?

[Mortimer]

I personally believe that male and female sexualities are not the same like you seem to think they are but that is not a discrimination because some advantages have both sexes just different and some disadvantages women get sweet treatment for example get paid drinks men don't do you really think men and women should be the same

[Tooting Carmen]

I personally believe that male and female sexualities are not the same like you seem to think they are but that is not a discrimination because some advantages have both sexes just different and some disadvantages women get sweet treatment for example get paid drinks men don't do you really think men and women should be the same

(1) You are making the cardinal mistake of confusing the natural with the social. Chivalry, such as opening doors for women and giving them free drinks, is based on social convention, not our natural instincts. (2) Related to this is the fact that you and others (myself up to a point too) think there is a qualitative difference between a woman groping a man's biceps and pecks and complementing him on them and a man groping a woman's breasts and complementing her on them, when ultimately both are expressions of lust.

[Mortimer]

(1) You are making the cardinal mistake of confusing the natural with the social. Chivalry, such as opening doors for women and giving them free drinks, is based on social convention, not our natural instincts. (2) Related to this is the fact that you and others (myself up to a point too) think there is a qualitative difference between a woman groping a man's biceps and pecks and complementing him on them and a man groping a woman's breasts and complementing her on them, when ultimately both are expressions of lust.

I think the social convention has underlying instincts I think it is natural that a male appears as protective and guardian because women are the weaker sex and the receiving sex that's what I learned Ying yang man woman child but that was in the early 90s I guess the draq queeens in school don't teach kids anymore what I was taught

[Tooting Carmen]

I think the social convention has underlying instincts I think it is natural that a male appears as protective and guardian because women are the weaker sex and the receiving sex that's what I learned Ying yang man woman child but that was in the early 90s I guess the draq queeens in school don't teach kids anymore what I was taught

Women may be less physically built than men, but which sex has to undergo the gruelling pains of pregancy, childbirth and breastfeeding?

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

feminism is just a another example of the cultural neo-marxism that has affected western society in the decades since WWII

[Tooting Carmen]

feminism is just a another example of the cultural neo-marxism that has affected western society in the decades since WWII

Feminism has its uses - the campaigns for equal pay, for freedom from physical and sexual violence are still to be won. Where feminism (or certain strands of it) went wrong IMO is when it started emphasising controlling men rather than liberating women.